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Poverty in the ghettos

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10Brandonr posted on Sun, Sep 21 2008 12:50 PM
What causes the formation of those inner city economic ghettos. What restrictions are preventing the employment and economic advancements to those living in ghettos, particularly black americans? What necessary policies must be implemented or abandoned in order to allow the slums to become economically healthy and pursuit prosperity? Are there any articles on the causes of poverty within the ghettos?

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Answered (Verified) Andrew replied on Sun, Sep 21 2008 4:44 PM
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Zoning laws, the fact that the ghetto is not an appealing place to open a new businesses, rent control, minimum wage, child labor laws, criminalization of drugs, protectionism, affirmative action, ect.

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Things I would blame the formation of ghettos on:

1. Welfare that creates incentives for young, single women to have illegitimate children and for capable workers to not work and instead become criminals.

2. Drug laws that prevent successful inner city entrepreneurs from doing their work and hiring others.

3. Shitty public schools that entrap inner city kids into a "culture of poverty."

4. Shitty public courts and police forces that do not protect inner city residents from crime.

5. Public housing, which is usually in disrepair and creates a pro-crime psychological arena. The bureaucrats in charge of public housing are usually not able to prevent crime on their premises, either.

6. Minimum wage laws that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

7. Unions that artificially raise wage rates that prevent the least skilled inner city residents from getting a job.

8. High taxes and regulations which prevent businesses from hiring inner city residents and new small businesses from springing up in inner cities.

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Sorry, I was writing with a lack of clarity. What I meant is that a freemarket encourages voluntarism and behaviors necessary to peaceful trade, such as honesty, independence, intelligence, ingenuity, good work ethic, and non-aggression(respect of life, liberty, and property). The reason many individuals within the slums do not adhere to these principles is because governmental forces create incentives to aggression. What I'm saying is that it must be trade restrictions and governmental social programming that create moral degradation and poverty. But on the otherhand, morals not directly dealing with trade are just products of culture and human nature and could not reflect prosperity or poverty.

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I realize that the slums are not race neutral, but whether you're white, black, or hispanic, the slums are a difficult place to live. But I don't believe that race or even IQ can prevent prosperity in a freemarket. Ultimately it appears that racist, nativist, socialist, and protectionist regulations and laws, not only put vulnerable individuals into poverty, but kept them there, and continues to keep them there to this day.

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They certainly don't lack free will, but instead they are seduced by "free lunch" programs, and when they try to leave and progress they are barred by regulation and are "force fed" their "free lunches". I'm wondering how it's possible for nearly an entire population of separate individuals within an area to be capable of making "poor choices" that lead to their poverty, since ghettos of nearly every race have existed within some part of the world. Something must be preventing them from making personal progress, since most people don't enjoy poverty and attempt to make progress. So if some laws and regulation are universally applicable, then I'm wondering what laws and regulations (and how they) uniquely affect the individuals within a slum, and how other laws and regulations particularly screw-over the slum populations, while leaving other populations less affected?

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I still disagree, people don't choose violence and poverty over peace and prosperity, it's not sensible. Ultimately if government programs weren't provided for them, they wouldn't live in the situations they live in. Inner-city poverty-stricken areas are like urban reservations, to a degree. You can't blame it on the individuals, 'cuz it's ultimately and obviously a result of government action. We're both admitting the same thing, that government "free lunches" produce a harmful effect, but it seems you blame the individuals, while I blame political policies.

i've come to believe that the governmental education system produces less knowledgeable individuals, and welfare programs and public facilities provide an incentive to not work and have an easy way out and encourage a disrespect toward property (since they did not directly pay for it), Shitty, inexperienced, corrupt and biased police and courts create the ability to commit crime more easily and make crime socially acceptable, which in return create a breeding ground for 'dirty' businesses which are protected by violent gangs and provide money to violent and criminal organizations with enormous power and influence, economic restrictions like zoning laws, high taxes, minimum wages, rent control, and child labor laws which prevent individuals from escaping the environment of poverty, filth, and violence. Ultimately these policies prey on the most vulnerable populations within the country such as immigrants or minorities, since in a democracy minorities are easily controlled and abused.

Is this correct?

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Juan replied on Thu, Sep 25 2008 1:10 AM
Byzantine:
You are avoiding an answer that is apparently uncomfortable to your egalitarian sensibilities
You're providing a phony answer which suits your prejudices.

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10Brandonr:
Ultimately if government programs weren't provided for them, they wouldn't live in the situations they live in.

Granted, and yet, why do ghettos appear when government policies are nationwide?

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Juan replied on Thu, Sep 25 2008 3:57 PM
Byzantine:
The urban slums are not race-neutral. They are almost entirely black or Hispanic.
The short answer is low IQ.
The slums are products of poor choices, unless you're saying certain classes of people lack free will.
Individuals are to blame for the choices they make and this applies whether you are a ghetto resident or a Wall Street banker.
Byzantine, you see no contradiction there ? Either people have free will, or their choices are determined by the 'race' they belong to - you can't have it both ways.

You can't say that people in the slums are poor because they are black and then say that people in the slums have 'chosen' to be poor. Or maybe they've chosen to be black ?...

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That's exactly my question! Why are these areas particularly affected by government actions? It's impossible for race to determine wealth, there are too many counter-examples to justify such a claim. It's obvious that government restrictions most negatively affect groups that are most vulnerable (the youth, the uneducated, minority groups, elderly, homeless and unemployed, immigrants, etc...) I'm wondering how and Why? I think there hasn't been enough research done, possibly it's something austrian economics need to look into deeper. 

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I think we're all asking the same question. Why are certain areas plagued with poverty, despite anti-market policies that are sported throughout the nation? What restrictions specifically harm these areas and why?

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