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fezwhatley Posted: Tue, Dec 16 2008 1:54 PM

Mises.org allows any reader of daily articles, or articles in general to "tag" them, with whatever they please. I have noticed that countless articles have been tagged by trolls with, condescending, straw man, asinine, inane, sarcastic expressions. The lastest being an example. It appears the trolls are too lazy to post on the discussion boards, since that requires getting an account.

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Mises.org allows any reader of daily articles, or articles in general to "tag" them, with whatever they please. I have noticed that countless articles have been tagged by trolls with, condescending, straw man, asinine, inane, sarcastic expressions. The lastest being an example. It appears the trolls are too lazy to post on the discussion boards, since that requires getting an account.

Good find.  You should message Jeffrey Tucker about this.

 

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fezwhatley:

Mises.org allows any reader of daily articles, or articles in general to "tag" them, with whatever they please. I have noticed that countless articles have been tagged by trolls with, condescending, straw man, asinine, inane, sarcastic expressions. The lastest being an example. It appears the trolls are too lazy to post on the discussion boards, since that requires getting an account.


Saboteurs, most likley.  This should be dealt with.

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other examples

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here

here

 

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Is anyone here familier with how Wikipedia "bots" work? Could mises.org set up something like that here to prevent this?

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Simple solution: Allow any mises.org member to remove a tag added by someone who is not the editor of the article. 

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Asian Austrian:

Simple solution: Allow any mises.org member to remove a tag added by someone who is not the editor of the article. 

I second the motion. I agree.

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Saboteurs, most likley.  This should be dealt with.

*British Accent* Summon the firing squad!

That just seemed funny to me.

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Asian Austrian:

Simple solution: Allow any mises.org member to remove a tag added by someone who is not the editor of the article. 

I second the motion. I agree.


Yay over here, as well.

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other examples

here

here

here

 

 

And here

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jtucker replied on Thu, Dec 18 2008 3:45 PM

Ok, I think I've snagged all those.

I'll ask david about tying the logins but I think there might be an issue here.

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jtucker:

Ok, I think I've snagged all those.

I'll ask david about tying the logins but I think there might be an issue here.

Thanks. Are you saying you think there might be an issue with some registered users?

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jtucker replied on Thu, Dec 18 2008 4:19 PM

No, I'm speaking of perms for deleting tags. This is really a different set of log ins.

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jtucker:

No, I'm speaking of perms for deleting tags. This is really a different set of log ins.

Shouldn't only a select few be allowed to delete tags anyways? After all, trolls have registered on these boards before.

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krazy kaju:

Shouldn't only a select few be allowed to delete tags anyways? After all, trolls have registered on these boards before.

Perhaps people who have been regular posters for at least one year? If you lasted that long as a regular poster you are probably not a troll. Maybe the "points" could be used to determine this??????

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pairunoyd replied on Thu, Dec 18 2008 5:27 PM

While on tags, what exactly do they do?

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They help searches, you can find a tagged article by its tag or search for articles with a certain tag.

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pairunoyd replied on Thu, Dec 18 2008 5:47 PM

Mises.org searches or web searches via google, yahoo, etc?

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Not sure except to comment that Mises.org's site search is Google.

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pairunoyd replied on Thu, Dec 18 2008 6:05 PM

Ive figured it out. Thanks. By google, I meant searching the entire net and not just mises.

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Perhaps people who have been regular posters for at least one year? If you lasted that long as a regular poster you are probably not a troll. Maybe the "points" could be used to determine this??????

Maybe we should just have a select few regular posters be able to do it? Jon Irenicus and liberty student come to mind, among others.

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Thanks very kind Kaju, but I would have to decline if asked.  I already spend too much time here.  We're going into a Depression  you know... Smile

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Rather than police the tags after the fact, how about having all user-contributed tags inactive until they're approved by an administrator?  You could treat the time spent approving/rejecting tags as a marketing cost.  The site would be fine even if you never found the time to get around to it.  An easy time-saver would be automatically accepting a tag that came from a poster with X points or more, for example.

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jtucker replied on Fri, Dec 19 2008 8:08 AM

That sounds like a pain in the neck. I agree that spammy tags are no good but tags of disagreement ("Stupidstuff" "fallaciies run amok" "evil" etc.) are fine, it seems to me. They help draw people to articles and indicate a level of interest that is good. I'm really reluctant to pull them.

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I found another one:

http://mises.org/story/3246

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Some of these tags also should be deleted. Not all of them but some of them.

http://mises.org/story/3128

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i dunnno.. maybe if everyone here looked hard enough you would find someone dying from hunger somewhere in  the world....would anyone here stop say, stop me from coming into your house to take cheerios or whatever else thaty is in their cupboard to feed some starving youths? 

 

if there are people tryuly dying of hunger/starvation now it would seem that many are ok with letting people die while refusing the taking of food-property.

 

but thats only if there are people dying of starvatiom of course.

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You've been lied to by Oxfam, those children aren't starving, just anorexic.

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i dunnno.. maybe if everyone here looked hard enough you would find someone dying from hunger somewhere in  the world....would anyone here stop say, stop me from coming into your house to take cheerios or whatever else thaty is in their cupboard to feed some starving youths?


if there are people truly dying of hunger/starvation now it would seem that many are ok with letting people die while refusing the taking of food-property.


but thats only if there are people dying of starvation of course.

If, in your question the assumption is this person will die without this taking it is a type of question is often called the "Lifeboat Scenario". While interesting in philosophy, it is not very useful in economics because such occurrences are, in the real world, so very rare. There are many, many voluntary charities that help people in need. I have voluntarily donated to Goodwill, an organization that helps people help themselves. I have also, voluntarily, donated to the American Red Cross. If you wish to encourage people to voluntarily give more that is fine with me. In any case what does this have to do with Internet vandalism?

 

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We are starting to have more of these graffiti tags again.

I do wish this tagging system were changed somehow.

Here is another blatent one:

http://mises.org/story/3303

As is this:

http://mises.org/story/3292

 

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