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Limitation vs. abolition

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thepaintballer45 Posted: Fri, Jan 16 2009 10:53 AM

I know not everyone lives in the US, but I'm writing this with the US and it's laws in mind.

Recently I was in sort of a debate about open carry and the right to bear arms in general. Regarding something like the right to bear arms, I personally believe that even a limitation on the right is wrong. You don't have to completely take away the right to be encroaching or infringing. Take your right to life. Even though it isn't specified by the right to life, I think it's pretty clear that we have the right to breath. Breathing is part of life, and is included under it, no? So, we have the right to breath. What if the government said that we have the right to breath, but it's unlawful to breath more than once(one inhale and exhale) per every 1.5 seconds? It's not taking away the right, it's MERELY restricting it, limiting it. Now look at gun control... It's ONLY limiting what calibers you can use... Or what actions you can use... Or how you can carry it... or whatever. Limitation, in these cases, is just as wrong as the outright abolition. All of those calibers and actions is covered under a general right to "bear arms". Unless the right to bear arms is specifically a right to bear small arms, then it covers the right to bear hand grenades as well.

This all led me to licensing. Would you consider licensing a limitation? How do you feel about the government requiring that you have a licence to carry? Would this be an infringement in the same way as other limitations? I think so. What do you think?

Righteous government, or the righteous lack thereof, is not the producer of a righteous society, it is the product of one.

You can't have my guns, but I'd be glad to give you my bullets...

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Eric replied on Fri, Jan 16 2009 6:49 PM

yes, and I like the example you gave, might have to use it sometime -=.

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Sphairon replied on Fri, Jan 16 2009 7:26 PM

If anyone ever doubts the existence of slippery slopes when it comes to gun rights, they only need to look at Europe. It all started really sensibly and in the public interest in the early 20th century with minor registrations and the equivalent of today's assault weapons bans concerning heavy firearms used in the trenches of World War I ...

... and today, you'll risk a multiple-year jail sentence for owning any gun. If you grovel before a large enough number of bureaucrats and prove your worthiness in several state exams, you may own a hunting rifle, but only with an explicit state permit. No, thanks, sir.


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