What are the general thoughts on WWII here on Mises.org?
Were the Allies justified in fighting WWII?
What would have happened if the US wouldn't have gotten involved in the European theatre? Should they have?
I have always been interested in this time period, so I was curious what you guys thought on the issue. Any articles or books discussing the war from a Libertarian standpoint are very welcome.
jacob, in a week you'll be as rabidly anti state as the rest of us, we've all been through the same process, "but what about?" huurrrrrrrrnnnnnh
for instance in my earlier days i used to get annoyed that rothbard called his book man, economy, and state, i used to think, "man, these guys have got to get over the state, its not that big a deal" and now i'm all like spitting venom at every news item i see thats got to do with politics. honestly australia's turning into a socialist nightmare, i'm gonna have to bail out soon.
tacoface: jacob, in a week you'll be as rabidly anti state as the rest of us, we've all been through the same process, "but what about?" huurrrrrrrrnnnnnh for instance in my earlier days i used to get annoyed that rothbard called his book man, economy, and state, i used to think, "man, these guys have got to get over the state, its not that big a deal" and now i'm all like spitting venom at every news item i see thats got to do with politics. honestly australia's turning into a socialist nightmare, i'm gonna have to bail out soon.
I don't think I'll ever be a 1 on the anarchy spectrum because it seems like the ideas of war here are...naive. I mean I've trained for years in the art of war (mainly Gracie Jiu Jitsu) and they taught me to NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES back down from a fight, especially if the guy who wants to fight me is clearly a bad guy. Hitler was a really really bad guy. I believe there are a few things the state is capable of handling and the state can be good for. One of which is the managing of the military and the fighting of wars. Now, admittedly, governments have, in the past, used their bloodlust to excuse massive inflation and recoinage and excessive taxation and rations and all the rest of the intrusions on the market that I so despise. However, under CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES wars become necessary. And if you guys seriously think Hitler wasn't going to start killing Jews under any circumstances and that he just did it once he realized he was going to lose, then I think again there is some serious naivete there.
Jacob Bloom:I believe there are a few things the state is capable of handling and the state can be good for. One of which is the managing of the military and the fighting of wars.
Really? Which war? I would love to see you justify any wars the U.S. has been involved in besides the revolutionary war. If the U.S. is your standard, then God help us!
At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.
Spideynw: Jacob Bloom:I believe there are a few things the state is capable of handling and the state can be good for. One of which is the managing of the military and the fighting of wars. Really? Which war? I would love to see you justify any wars the U.S. has been involved in besides the revolutionary war. If the U.S. is your standard, then God help us!
I still think the war in Afghanistan was absolutely the right thing to do. It was kind of a joke that we didn't get Bin Laden. He obviously had connections. I thought that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. Hussein was another one of those guys you just can't allow to live. I think that if we hadn't botched the Iraq war so badly, we would've been able to go into Iran and get Ahmadinejad. That guy is a serious threat to the state of Israel. But alas, it is not to be. Israel looks like it's to be dismantled and given back to those lousy Palestinians. So it goes.
Jacob Bloom:Hitler was a really really bad guy.
he was certainly a disgusting guy. I suppose to answer the question of whether he was bad, i would look to see what crimes he committed. On deep analysis it might turn out that individuals in the SS , army, private citizens, whom phsyically killed people and/or stole property in the spirit of the words that Hitler spoke were the really really bad people.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
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Jacob Bloom:I think that if we hadn't botched the Iraq war so badly, we would've been able to go into Iran and get Ahmadinejad. That guy is a serious threat to the state of Israel. But alas, it is not to be. Israel looks like it's to be dismantled and given back to those lousy Palestinians. So it goes.
Well Israel isn't the United States. Unless Ahmadinejad is going to gather together 500 Iranians to throw a nuke across the ocean, then what he does is really irrelevant.
'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael
nirgrahamUK: Jacob Bloom:Hitler was a really really bad guy. he was certainly a disgusting guy. I suppose to answer the question of whether he was bad, i would look to see what crimes he committed. On deep analysis it might turn out that individuals in the SS , army, private citizens, whom phsyically killed people and/or stole property in the spirit of the words that Hitler spoke were the really really bad people.
Yes, they were bad too. But the source of the...infection was Hitler.
hey, I have family in Israel, what nukes get thrown around the middle east are certainly relevant to me.
Anarchist Cain: Jacob Bloom:I think that if we hadn't botched the Iraq war so badly, we would've been able to go into Iran and get Ahmadinejad. That guy is a serious threat to the state of Israel. But alas, it is not to be. Israel looks like it's to be dismantled and given back to those lousy Palestinians. So it goes. Well Israel isn't the United States. Unless Ahmadinejad is going to gather together 500 Iranians to throw a nuke across the ocean, then what he does is really irrelevant.
It's my personal opinion that the US and Israel are allies and as such an attack against one is an attack against the other. Therefore, what happens to Israel matters and the US must maintain a deep commitment to backing Israel. Plus, appeasement won't work, it never has. Ahmadinejad has to be eliminated.
Jacob Bloom:Yes, they were bad too. But the source of the...infection was Hitler.
I dont really see the point of this metaphor. it is cliche and obfuscatory. and it will excuse critical thinking. Infections are undesirable because they phsyically damage peoples body properties.
Jacob Bloom:It's my personal opinion that the US and Israel are allies and as such an attack against one is an attack against the other. Therefore, what happens to Israel matters and the US must maintain a deep commitment to backing Israel. Plus, appeasement won't work, it never has. Ahmadinejad has to be eliminated.
Why must we maintain it? And what is this nonsense with appeasement? Has anyone been invaded?
nirgrahamUK: Jacob Bloom:Yes, they were bad too. But the source of the...infection was Hitler. I dont really see the point of this metaphor. it is cliche and obfuscatory. and it will excuse critical thinking. Infections are undesirable because they phsyically damage peoples body properties.
The point I was trying to make is that the source of all that evil wasn't the SS. It wasn't Hitler's generals. And it wasn't the people of Germany. It was Hitler. And so to get rid of the disease one has to remove the cause. Not the symptoms. Hitler was that cause.
well, because i believe in personal responsibility, and man as an atomic point of moral agency. we will have to disagree.
Anarchist Cain: Jacob Bloom:It's my personal opinion that the US and Israel are allies and as such an attack against one is an attack against the other. Therefore, what happens to Israel matters and the US must maintain a deep commitment to backing Israel. Plus, appeasement won't work, it never has. Ahmadinejad has to be eliminated. Why must we maintain it? And what is this nonsense with appeasement? Has anyone been invaded?
Because Israel is the bastion of democracy in the middle east. Now, I don't believe you can spread democracy with a gun. But I do think that what Bastiat said about "where trade crosses borders, armies will not" is true. The existence of a democratic capitalistic market in the middle east will ultimately lead to trade with barrier countries, which will then make them want to institute free markets of their own. Appeasement started the minute Obama said he favors the idea of a two state solution. Which is impossible.
nirgrahamUK: well, because i believe in personal responsibility, and man as an atomic point of moral agency. we will have to disagree.
Have you ever read the Lucifer Effect by Phil Zimbardo?