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WWII a just war?

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sirmonty posted on Wed, Jan 28 2009 11:45 AM

What are the general thoughts on WWII here on Mises.org?

Were the Allies justified in fighting WWII? 

What would have happened if the US wouldn't have gotten involved in the European theatre?  Should they have?

 

I have always been interested in this time period, so I was curious what you guys thought on the issue.  Any articles or books discussing the war from a Libertarian standpoint are very welcome.

 

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Juan:
I take it you are 'british' ?

What has nationality got to do with the price of tea in China?

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More capable in fulfilling its purpose; providing a greater insentive among other power to find a peaceful conclusion to disputes and should that fail to ensure that the military in question defeats its opponent. Quite obviously a military that commands more might than its opponent has a far greater probability in fulfilling these aims.

Which has what to do with it being economically efficient, i.e. geared to serving its consumer's needs? I bet in a sense gulags were "effective" too, as well as NASA, as well as the Soviet space programme... as is conscription, if you want a slave army...  basically anything you throw bucket-loads of money at. Why don't minarchists support it then?

Another example of a retort that basically boils down to "nu-uh", but lacks anything to discuss or convince. Why don't you explain the problem you have with my position? I will either offer a responce, or, if I find your argument to be insurmountable, revise my position.

Which I did, by asking his Lordship to define "effective".

Freedom of markets is positively correlated with the degree of evolution in any society...

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Jon Irenicus:
Which I did, by asking his Lordship to define "effective".

I lol'd.

Jon I hope you publish a book someday because you seem to be very well informed and I really enjoy reading your posts.

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Jon Irenicus:
Which has what to do with it being economically efficient


As I asked another user; what has that got to do with the price of tea in China? You are making a retort to point nobody has made. The point I have been attempting to raise and defend is not whether ensuring military 'might' is economically efficent, but rather does it fulfill the purpose  of "providing a greater insentive among other power(s) to find a peaceful conclusion to disputes and should that fail to ensure that the military in question defeats its opponent".  I am not attempting to argue that there are not firm reasons to oppose a military, financial cost being perhaps the least important.

 

Jon Irenicus:

Which I did, by asking his Lordship to define "effective".

Evidently you are confused. Requesting that I define various words within my post is not a substitute for formulating an actual argument. I hope that has put your confusion to rest.

 

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Hence I opened with asking "effective at what", because there is no point in formulating an argument if the term is not qualified to begin with...

Freedom of markets is positively correlated with the degree of evolution in any society...

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"by the beginning of the war most Germany's Jews had been expelled or left. It is only around 1942 (when Hitlers sees that the war might be lost and in his paranoia blames the Jews) at the Swansee conference in Berlin that the final solution begins. It is then that Jews start being transferred to the concentration camps from the Ghettos they were originally being held in."

 

On the contrarry, Jews were being sent en mass to the concentration camps from late 1938 following the policy of 'extermination through labour' whereby they were worked to death rather than being killed directly.
The direct extermination began towards the end on 1939 when gas vans were first used, there was also mass extermination through shooting as the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union.
The Wannsee Conference resulted in the creation of the death camps themselves, mainly as a result of Heydrich's complaints about the inefficiency of other methods and his impatience with the progress of the Final Solution.
Also, I don't think Hitler had realised that the war was lost by the winter of '41-42, although Operation Barbarossa had ground to a halt, it hadn't yet become clear that the USSR was able to make a successful counter-offensive.

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Babi Yar massacre, 1941, 33000 Jews killed (Soviet history downplayed this by preferring to call them simply "Soviet citizens").

It's obvious that the West, including US, didn't enter the war to save the Jews (they did little enough to help them before it), but to say that they cause Holocaust is really stretching it.

If I hear not allowed much oftener; said Sam, I'm going to get angry.

J.R.R.Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings

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GilesStratton:
but Stalin had killed 1000 people to Hitler's 1 by the the outbreak of the war, and yet, the British thought it was acceptable to ally with Stalin.

always thought that was interesting myself

GilesStratton:
Hitler was never going to attack Britian or France, in fact, he wanted an alliance with Britain.

 

well thats because the duke of Windsor harry was a nazi sypathizer and in line to be king

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