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eliotn Posted: Thu, Mar 12 2009 12:00 PM

... the people who want some to govern others are wise in a certain way of metaphorically showing something about human nature?  First, there are people who want to be governed, who prefer having someone take control over parts of their lives, but the person who relinguishes control gains by not having to make hard choices such as what laws to follow (unless they are too far-fetched from his values).  Second, could it be possible that people like having a heirarchy?  Such a system is certainly compatible with anarchno-capitalism.

... in a different universe, we voluntarily chose to live out our pre-planned life (which we knew completely beforehand) in this virtual world, which is a service that is provided by a different person.  Our memories of the past life were erased for the purpose of experiencing this world.  Would coercion in this world technically be "voluntary" and perfectly fine in the giant scheme of things, if this was true?

... anarchno-capitalism wasn't as much of a utopia as its supporters claimed it would be?

... there was a secret anarchno-capitalistic colony (think dinotopia), and we could simply escape the state by moving there and buying property there.

... mages existed, and wanted to rid the world of coercive government.  What would be a non-coercive way that they could attain their ends?

More ideas coming soon?

Schools are labour camps.

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Stranger replied on Thu, Mar 12 2009 12:08 PM

People join hierarchies because it's often more productive for them to be governed than to be on their own. For example joining a business at an entry-level job when you are clueless how to make a living means that you are renting out the right of telling you what to do. However because you are free to choose what hierarchy you want to join, or whether to join a hierarchy at all, there is a competition between hierarchies that wipes out all exploitative commands.

If there is a hierarchy that is not free to join, like the state, then the hierarchy can compel you to do things that you do not want to do. Thus the cost of the hierarchy is much higher and the benefit much lower than it would be with free competition.

And what the hell is anarchno-capitalism? A form of anarchny?

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Sphairon replied on Thu, Mar 12 2009 12:11 PM

Stranger:
However because you are free to choose what hierarchy you want to join, or whether to join a hierarchy at all, there is a competition between hierarchies that wipes out all exploitative commands.

What if there is an excess supply of labor? Wouldn't that mean laborers have to put up with increasingly bad and exploitative conditions?


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eliotn:
... there was a secret anarchno-capitalistic colony (think dinotopia), and we could simply escape the state by moving there and buying property there.

I know I would not move there. I have other concerns other than that of libery, and those require that I stay apart of society.

 

eliotn:
... mages existed, and wanted to rid the world of coercive government.  What would be a non-coercive way that they could attain their ends?

Immigrating to another plane.

Abstract liberty, like other mere abstractions, is not to be found.

          - Edmund Burke

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eliotn:
Second, could it be possible that people like having a heirarchy? 

Absolutely, hierarchies are a part of human existance under the division of labour as we know it. The state just replaces an artificial hierarchy for natural hierarchies.

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"

Bob Dylan

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Stranger replied on Thu, Mar 12 2009 12:57 PM

Sphairon:

Stranger:
However because you are free to choose what hierarchy you want to join, or whether to join a hierarchy at all, there is a competition between hierarchies that wipes out all exploitative commands.

What if there is an excess supply of labor? Wouldn't that mean laborers have to put up with increasingly bad and exploitative conditions?

Quite possibly. Labor union power is based on creating such an excess supply.

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