What do you think are the fastest ways to establish an anarchist society?
Throatpoker: What do you think are the fastest ways to establish an anarchist society?
The Fastest.....
Open Rebellion...
This however is not very well looked upon, as a rebellion will not get support without a leader that has a plan that will eventually boil down to a new government, hence not anarchism...
My suggestion is individual seccession...
As the fastest, guaranteed anarchism...
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A crisis stage that make people permanently question the government and realize its flaws.
'Men do not change, they unmask themselves' - Germaine de Stael
Alternatives to the state.
Anarchists of the world, unite!
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
Daniel: Anarchists of the world, unite!
Three years ago I would of thought that statement was contradictory
Anarchist Cain: Daniel: Anarchists of the world, unite! Three years ago I would of thought that statement was contradictory
I think a better war cry might be "Anarchists seek profit!"
I'm against solidarity. I don't think that is what markets are about. Peaceful differentiation and secession will bring down the state.
liberty student:I'm against solidarity. I don't think that is what markets are about. Peaceful differentiation and secession will bring down the state.
Differentiation and secession work best in a crisis situation. Would you not agree?
Anarchist Cain:Differentiation and secession work best in a crisis situation. Would you not agree?
They can be the cause and the cure for a crisis.
Provide the services the state does, that means you're going to have to learn to use a gun and be willing to use it if you want to challenge the state.
To be honest, I'm really beginning to reject anarchism though, so you might want to ignore my advice.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
Bob Dylan
GilesStratton: Throatpoker: What do you think are the fastest ways to establish an anarchist society? Provide the services the state does, that means you're going to have to learn to use a gun and be willing to use it if you want to challenge the state. To be honest, I'm really beginning to reject anarchism though, so you might want to ignore my advice.
liberty student:They can be the cause and the cure for a crisis.
Well usually what the government does to solve the cure is really just to prolong it or offset it for another period. But you make a valid criticism.
It was a swipe at the socialist cry: "Workers of the world, unite!"
liberty student: I think a better war cry might be "Anarchists seek profit!"
liberty student: I'm against solidarity. I don't think that is what markets are about. Peaceful differentiation and secession will bring down the state.
What about people coming together voluntarily to seek profit?
Daniel:It was a swipe at the socialist cry: "Workers of the world, unite!"
Unite in mind and consciouness. The implied consequences of this action are ghastly.
Daniel:What about people coming together voluntarily to seek profit?
If people come together to engage in the division of labour (markets), I like that. If they try to cartelize, exclude, avoid competition through price fixing (unions, trade or labour) I don't think that is productive.
ivanfoofoo:What are you becoming? A monarchist?
You might say that.
Throatpoker:What do you think are the fastest ways to establish an anarchist society?
Delegitimizing the state in the mind of the public.
GilesStratton: ivanfoofoo:What are you becoming? A monarchist? You might say that.
"Constitution worship is our most extended public political ritual, frequently supervised as often by mountebanks as by the sincere"-James J Martin
You must be able to organize enough people to concentrate force that will neutralize the state's attempt at interfering with free exchange.
Such an organization can be a political party, but it cannot work from within the system of government.
The fallacies of intellectual communism, a compilation - On the nature of power
Anarchist Cain: A crisis stage that make people permanently question the government and realize its flaws.
That will result in a different government being established.
Stranger: Anarchist Cain: A crisis stage that make people permanently question the government and realize its flaws. That will result in a different government being established.
Not necessarily if the point can be made that the crisis was brought about by government.
Anarchist Cain: Stranger: Anarchist Cain: A crisis stage that make people permanently question the government and realize its flaws. That will result in a different government being established. Not necessarily if the point can be made that the crisis was brought about by government.
I have to step in here...
The issue is that government is an expert at the blame game, one faction will blame the other and take over as "saviors"....
Harry Felker: The issue is that government is an expert at the blame game, one faction will blame the other and take over as "saviors"....
True hence why the battle of ideas is certainly more important then the battle of bullets.
The way to de-legitimize the government is to replace it. Questioning is not enough. The state must actually lose customers to the free market.
People will just take a fascistic system and replace it with communism, or communism with fascism. They will vote for a new leader. They will form new parties.
The free market will have to challenge the fundamentals that the government best provides roads, security, health care and education. To do that, the free market will have to compete with the state, and their regulations tipping things to their own favour legislatively, and win. We really need Walmart to get into education the way they got into pharmacy.
Ideally, a lot more people start competing with the state.
You know I've often wondered if the movement should engage in a consumer based research tank that exclaims which commodities orginate with free-market principles. Use the market to liberalize the consumer. That way a consumer can pick commodities that aren't subsidized causing corporations to react in a manner we as the consumer base see fit. Just a thought.
liberty student:We really need Walmart to get into education the way they got into pharmacy.
I think with the speed that internet is reaching now, it should be here pretty soon. As long as the government doesn't get involved that is. I am a huge fan of documentaries and educational videos. Hell, I've had classes at university that I never went to, watched a few documentaries over the subject, showed up for the exams, and made an A average. I'm not sure if that shows how crappy public universities are, or how much I actually learned, but whos countin'.
Walmart education...now that is an entrepreneurial thought!
Think tanks are good but I really think applied AE principles and ideas, similar to how Peter Schiff (amongst many others) do it, is very advantageous.
I think the ideas of Austrians bringing back guilds as free market fraternal orders could be very effective. That's something I want to pursue later.
The brilliance of Tom Woods having bestseller books, is that he is able to profit from telling the truth about free markets. Like having your cake and eating it too.
Anarchist Cain: Walmart education...now that is an entrepreneurial thought!
Not originally my idea. Gary North deserves kudos.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north643.html
liberty student: Anarchist Cain: Walmart education...now that is an entrepreneurial thought! Not originally my idea. Gary North deserves kudos. http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north643.html
As optimistic I am towards Wal Mart education (especially since they would obviously utilize the recession & help gear people towards education & jobs that are more useful during such a time), I don't think the Obama admin would let it occur at all. In fact, I think it would be a prime public spectacle they could use to leverage back popularity ratings & help the public rationalize further policies.Even if it failed though, the concept would no longer be "out there" or off-limits, socially.
Others would see it as a good idea & we'd probably end up within a few decades a more de-centralized far more competitive alternative educational system (especially if it managed to shake the currently crumbling ones we have now, & managed to co-exist somehow) that no doubt, despite improving things, many anti-capitalists and/or anti-corporate types would bitch & complain about.
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Nitroadict: As optimistic I am towards Wal Mart education (especially since they would obviously utilize the recession & help gear people towards education & jobs that are more useful during such a time), I don't think the Obama admin would let it occur at all.
As optimistic I am towards Wal Mart education (especially since they would obviously utilize the recession & help gear people towards education & jobs that are more useful during such a time), I don't think the Obama admin would let it occur at all.
Could they really stop such a thing from transpiring?
Anarchist Cain: Nitroadict: As optimistic I am towards Wal Mart education (especially since they would obviously utilize the recession & help gear people towards education & jobs that are more useful during such a time), I don't think the Obama admin would let it occur at all. Could they really stop such a thing from transpiring?
Don't underestimate the will of the sociopaths in Washington.
Anarchist Cain:Could they really stop such a thing from transpiring?
I'm not sure they could. They could not call them Bachelor or Masters degrees. They could call them Gold Silver and Bronze Walmart Certifications.
Like, "Hey man, I'm going to the Educational Factory of WalMart to get my Silver Cert in Neuroscience."
liberty student: Like, "Hey man, I'm going to the Educational Factory of WalMart to get my Silver Cert in Neuroscience.
Like, "Hey man, I'm going to the Educational Factory of WalMart to get my Silver Cert in Neuroscience.
Something tells me Walmart needs to start building street rep before people don't cringe at a statement like that
liberty student: The way to de-legitimize the government is to replace it. Questioning is not enough. The state must actually lose customers to the free market.
This is one theory put forth as to why the Mayan culture left the huge temple cities and went back to a more diversified village life that is seen today. The Mayan State became very huge, demanding of it's people that did more harm than good, warfare increased, food became hard to come by, and much more as the priorities shifted to honoring the high ranking, non-working "priest-class" (today's politicians) duties. The aggrandizing of the State became a priority whereas the life and energy devoted to sustaining such grandiose, such as farming and other basic fulfillments of life's needs became diverted to the point of collapse. Many of the temples and huge stone work buildings are still in the jungle intact cause this theory surmises the people eventually had enough of it all and simply left it all behind more and more. The Mayans are still alive they live a more diversified village life with huge markets and such south of Mexico. There's millions of them still.
Of course, not that we need to live in the jungle that would be missing the whole point. The point is they simply got fed up with the huge complex State ideological aggrandizement and walked away from it back to focus their lives on their families and village.
The fastest way is for each individual to secede. The state would instantly cease to exist, as even its government would no longer exist. The society -- already existing -- will be an anarchy by definition.
Anarchist Cain:Something tells me Walmart needs to start building street rep before people don't cringe at a statement like that
The customers for WalMart education are not only students, they are firms. If firms recognize or demand Walmart education, people will buy it as a prerequisite to certain jobs.
You see something similar with a lot of those ads on TV for education in medical assistant and locksmith and stuff. But I suspect those firms are really just student loan industrial complex firms. WalMart might provide dirt cheap higher education without the need for loans.
wilderness:Of course, not that we need to live in the jungle that would be missing the whole point. The point is they simply got fed up with the huge complex State ideological aggrandizement and walked away from it back to focus their lives on their families and village.
That's super good. Can I reprint it?
liberty student: Anarchist Cain:Something tells me Walmart needs to start building street rep before people don't cringe at a statement like that The customers for WalMart education are not only students, they are firms. If firms recognize or demand Walmart education, people will buy it as a prerequisite to certain jobs. You see something similar with a lot of those ads on TV for education in medical assistant and locksmith and stuff. But I suspect those firms are really just student loan industrial complex firms. WalMart might provide dirt cheap higher education without the need for loans.
Disney provides customer service training to other firms. If only they trained the DMV, this world would much better.
And no doubt support the losing party so that it can return to power a few elections later and continue the cycle.
There is no avoiding a confrontation. This involves a complete constitutional plan. This requires people and organization.
Once that is in place, then all the parties of power will side with each other against the freedom party, and then the population will see how obvious the problem of government is. But none of that will happen unless we can isolate the parties of power.