I am a beginner and I want to read some seminal works of Austrian School. It seems that Human Action and MES are the most comprehensive seminal woks of Austrian School. Some of my friends suggest me to read Wealth of Nations, although it is not Austrian. So which book do you suggest me to read for basic and comprehensive understanding of real Economics?
ps, I have read Meltdown, The Case Against the Fed, What Has Government Done to Our Money, Crash Proof for Austrian Economics. Other books I have finished are The Ascent of Money and The Return of Depression Economics. I am currently reading The Bankers who Broke the World, An Economic History of China (in Chinese) and A Monetary History of the United States. Now I think it is the time to read a real thick work~~
I appreciate any helpful suggestion.
Erickk:It seems that Human Action is more like a book for the advanced economic readers
Ironically, Human Action is far less advanced than MES. Human Action is only for advanced readers in the sense that it doesn't prove every single possible implication of the action axiom. Sometimes it states implications, and proceeds onward. Rothbard proves every implication from the ground up, and each time shows why the one currently being discussed is in line with previous implications so you are constantly reminded of how you got to where you are right now, rather than be told "this is how it is." MES is far more advanced in the sense that it covers more material (Power and Market, Theory of Production), and it doesn't include flaws previously taken for granted in the Austrian tradition.
Erickk:but can you show me an example how difficult Human Action is?
It's not difficult at all, I swear. It's not even 1000 pages, whereas MES is 1500. It can be misunderstood as "advanced" in the sense covered above, but it isn't difficult at all.
Erickk:Also, I do not know what you guys think of Rothbard, but I think he is a little bit too radical
If you read MES from beginning to end, you'll understand his point of view. In fact, as he points out the implications of the action axiom, if you believe the premises, then you will necessarily arrive at the same conclusion. There is nothing taken for granted, everything is proved piece by piece, constantly taking a look back to make sure al the pieces fit together. He doesn't just state what's been previously believed, which is why he differs on a few points from previous Austrian Economists -- indeed, which is why is so radical. Once you understand the whole picture instead of just believing what you are told because it makes more sense than everything else, you will be radical too. This is why Mises was a utilitarian and wrote Human Action -- because it was "the best alternative", whereas Rothbard was a hardcore natural rights anarcho-capitalist and wrote Man, Economy, and State, and Power and Market -- because it conformed to justice, it was the only consistent position.
Erickk:Ok, so if Human Action is really that hard to understand, I ll go for MES, thanks again
It's not hard to understand, but its not as accurate, as comprehensive, or as consistent as MES, and it doesn't include the important knowledge of Power and Market or the necessary Theory of Production. MES is "a book for the laymen" ONLY because Rothbard is such a genius and incredibly clear writer that laymen can comprehend its immense complexity with ease.
Without much economics background, I'd think MES would be a better place to start.
Erickk:Some of my friends suggest me to read Wealth of Nations
"Nobody should believe that he will find in Smith’s Wealth of Nations information about present-day economics or about present-day problems of economic policy. Reading Smith is no more a substitute for studying economics than reading Euclid is a substitute for the study of mathematics."~ Economic Freedom and Interventionism by Ludwig von Mises, p. 117
MES!
But personally, I currently have the list of History of Economic Thought Vol. 1, Vol. 2, Human Action +study guide, Man Economy and State +study guide, For a New Liberty.
Definitely go with MES! I read halfway through Human Action and switched to MES once I learned about it. There are many reasons to go with MES:
1. It's more comprehensive. Rothbard took everything from Mises and the rest of the Austrian tradition, fixed a few errors, and added the completely original Theory Of Production.
2. It's easier to read. Rothbard just writes better. He's one of the clearest writers around, and he's witty from time to time.
3. It includes Power and Market which is invaluable in understanding all implications of state intervention in the economy.
4. He fixed Mises' theory of Monopoly.
5. Rothbard is not a utilitarian.
hashem:2. It's easier to read. Rothbard just writes better. He's one of the clearest writers around, and he's witty from time to time.
True that. Reading Rothbard is like eating ice cream.
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I suggest Human Action.
Abstract liberty, like other mere abstractions, is not to be found.
- Edmund Burke
I would add that while Mises was no doubt extraordinary and legendary in his own right, and accomplished more than many even dream of, he was no Rothbard. Rothbard certainly respected Mises immensely, which is apparent from reading either of their works. But Rothbard was a true genius. He was a master of history, philosophy, economics, political theory, and still much of his work is original and systematic. He wrote 25 incredible books thoroughly fleshing out these sort of topics, as well as thousands of articles covering everything under the sun.
Human Action is the utilitarian's guide to Austrian economics.
Man, Economy, and State with Power and Market is a 3 volume, comprehensive compilation of all previous Austrain economics (including Mises) with various flaws polished out, and up to 30% of it involves his completely original Theory of Production.
you could say this
He was a master of history, philosophy, economics, political theory, and still much of his work is original and systematic.
about Mises.
Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid
Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring
hashem: I would add that while Mises was no doubt extraordinary and legendary in his own right, and accomplished more than many even dream of, he was no Rothbard. Rothbard certainly respected Mises immensely, which is apparent from reading either of their works. But Rothbard was a true genius. He was a master of history, philosophy, economics, political theory, and still much of his work is original and systematic. He wrote 25 incredible books thoroughly fleshing out these sort of topics, as well as thousands of articles covering everything under the sun. Human Action is the utilitarian's guide to Austrian economics. Man, Economy, and State with Power and Market is a 3 volume, comprehensive compilation of all previous Austrain economics (including Mises) with various flaws polished out, and up to 30% of it involves his completely original Theory of Production.
Also, many people seems to think that Rothbard regurgutated what Mises wrote. However, the reality is that Rothbard disgreed with many thing that Mises wrote. What Rothbard did was take the "Best of" from everywhere then compiled it and added original thought then turned out a masterpiece.
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process. Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!" Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
Go for Rothbard. Mises is for more advanced readers IMO, especially as he packs in a lot of apropos statements. His work is lucid but it requires heavy focus and familiarity with the concepts he's discussing. Rothbard, OTOH, assumes no such thing and takes the reader by the hand helping them learn to think for themselves on the topic. Mises expects you to already be able to do this.
Freedom of markets is positively correlated with the degree of evolution in any society...
Jon Irenicus: Go for Rothbard. Mises is for more advanced readers IMO, especially as he packs in a lot of apropos statements. His work is lucid but it requires heavy focus and familiarity with the concepts he's discussing. Rothbard, OTOH, assumes no such thing and takes the reader by the hand helping them learn to think for themselves on the topic. Mises expects you to already be able to do this.
So... I should read MES first & I will get much more out of reading HA afterwords? I've got both study guides as I want to really grasp the modern day applications etc, although I probably won't need it to understand MES. HA would probably help with all those nice fancy words that I get to add to my vocab... lol
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It seems that Human Action is more like a book for the advanced economic readers, but can you show me an example how difficult Human Action is? Also, I do not know what you guys think of Rothbard, but I think he is a little bit too radical: Unlike Mises and Haykek, he is an anarcho capitalist, even critical of patent. (sorry I don't know what the positions Hayek and Mises hold on patent) I think of Rothbard as a a defender of Liberty and a firm libertarian, and I also agree with you guys on the fact that he is a BRILLIANT writer, presenting Economics in a lucid and informative way, thus making it easy to understand for us laymen, which I appreciate wholeheartedly. But I still doubt whether his too radical position should be taken for granted by us beginners.
Ok, so if Human Action is really that hard to understand, I ll go for MES, thanks again~~
I find Human Action to be a far more interesting read than Man, Economy, and State just because of the fact that Mises covers a plethora of topics in his treatisie, and that appeals to someone like me who finds an interest in just about everything. However, Man, Economy, and State is definately the easier of the two.
So... I should read MES first & I will get much more out of reading HA afterwords?
Yeah.