Was the batman shooter drugged in court? If so, how in the world did he get the drugs?
Yes. CIA.
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You seriously think the CIA did it? What motives would they have?
I would guess that the cops have been interviewing him/ not allowing him to sleep or he simply can't sleep. Also court is incredibly boring it's hard to stay awake there!
I was teasing him.
Haha. I googled it and found an article comparing it to sirhan sirhan being drugged presumably by the CIA
He has been on suicide watch and docs have a 'right' to forcibly cure inmates. So possibly they are giving him antipsychotic meds? Though I'd think it would be highly unlikely that they would risk any chance for a mistrial by drugging him.
What motives would they have?
They can ramp up the national security apparatus directly in response, and it galvanizes support for the President's anti-gun angle in an election year, which is itself a policy that is deemed to be in the interests of national security.
Remember, the interests of national security mean the interests of the guys you have charged with national security. Their interests are a bigger budget and more power.
You Americans are truly blinded to the Beast's nature by your proximity to it if you can't see that the CIA certainly would do something like this. I don't know that they did here, but it's where I'd put my money.
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He's a patsy. He probably didn't even pull a trigger or throw a CS grenade - you think the scene in that theatre as described sounds like an incident that lends itself to easy interpretation of what actually happened? The shooter, if there was only one, was in a mask - described in many places as a SWAT/paramilitary outfit. People thought it was part of the show.
The authorities - whether that ends up being the FBI I don't know, but I would guess - will pressure witnesses to come up with the same story - the story they want, which is that this guy was a lone nut who did it all. Anyone who contradicts becomes a nutty outliar, and if they have any real or documentary evidence - of which there probably isn't any in this situation anyway - they suddenly become fatal accident-prone. Whether Holmes gets death or locked up in a loony bin forever, I'm sure they don't really care - he is a throwaway. The whole point of drugging a zombie puppet to be the throwaway is that no one is gonna volunteer for such a critical role; it's far more important to have your Manchurian Candidate patsy than a shooter - the shooter(s) can just be good old-fashioned professional hit-men.
Who knows whats up with that guy
I think Mike Zentz is right on the money. We don't have a clue.
Wow, this thread makes the Mises forum look like it's full of loonies >_>
It's pretty standard practice apparently to give a sedative to some defendants whom are violent, according to one news report on his first day in court.
And really, conspiracy theories already? Occam's razor, bro.
Only one guy here suggested a conspiracy...
Why have the police refused to release the video?
Why is evidence always kept from the public when there's contreversy? It seems like that would be the time when you release the evidence to stop the speculation.
Also, police radio talks about multiple suspects:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eZaBmSq89S4#!
Wow, this thread makes the Mises forum look like it's full of loonies >_> And you make it look like there are at least a few naive, ignorant, poorly-read, government-trusting prolls. Well done. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." - Sir Humphrey Appleby | Post Points: 20
Bull. There's a big difference between what's possible and what's probable. Loonies allow personal bias to influence their perception of probability.
There's no 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll. Al Queda really did crash planes into buildings on 911. And Holmes here shot up a theater, simple as that. Until you have corroborating evidence for other scenarios, inductive reasoning and occam's razor have to rule.
I don't know, but when I first a picture of him I was able to imagine him snorting coke.
Based upon what I've heard, someone could make the case that the FBI did this, but I can't conclude that the govt wanted it to happen like I could conclude that Dick Cheney and Bush wanted the attacks of 9/11 to occur.
Conclusive evidence, my dear fellows! I say!
Loonies allow personal bias to influence their perception of probability.
Until you have corroborating evidence for other scenarios, inductive reasoning and occam's razor have to rule.
the funny thing about evidence is that is means absolutely nothing without interpretation. Interpreting evidence is a cognitive task, meaning it is subjective. So its literally impossible to do as you imply should be done, and determine the probability of an outcome without subjective factors (aka bias) creeping in. And your failure to recognize this reflects negatively on your own state of bias. All humans are biased, some of us realize this and factor in a margin for error, whereas others delude themselves into thinking that the people who disagree with them are the biased ones.
you also reveal your own bias when you refer to evidence as if there isnt any, whereas there is evidence for a conspiracy in aurora, there is evidence for multiple jfk assassins, and there is evidence for government complicity in 9/11. As for the interpretation of evidence in the jfk assassination and 9/11, its beyond the scope of this thread. But dont pretend its non-existent, thats just ignorant.
There was a gang of invisible aliens tossing rounds all over that movie theater. One alien threw a bullet with a flex capacitor on it so hard it went back to the future smacked JFK in the back of the head. In 20 years from now it's going to hit me too! if youdon't believe that you're ignorant. If you can't understand the possibility you're a biased ass and I hate you!
You've convinced me, Malachi. Clearly the lack of any evidence that anyone but Holmes was involved is prima fascie evidence that Dick Cheney himself shot up the entire theater and then framed poor Holmes, as part of a deal with Obama to pass a new gun law and distract from his election woes.
I don't know much about the case, but it seems obvious that he's Schizophrenic. But maybe a more interesting story will develop. (Don't get me wrong, the whole thing is tragic.) Also, 911 was an inside job. I had a really fun conversation about the subject here, if anyone's interested. Though I've pretty much given up hope on ever getting answers.
You tell me, is this man sane?
Clearly the lack of any evidence that anyone but Holmes was involved
is prima fascie evidence that Dick Cheney himself shot up the entire theater and then framed poor Holmes, as part of a deal with Obama to pass a new gun law and distract from his election woes.
grant.w.underwood: There was a gang of invisible aliens tossing rounds all over that movie theater. One alien threw a bullet with a flex capacitor on it so hard it went back to the future smacked JFK in the back of the head. In 20 years from now it's going to hit me too! if youdon't believe that you're ignorant. If you can't understand the possibility you're a biased ass and I hate you!
hopefully the evidence wins out
it's more likley gun and ammo sellers will profit than any laws being passed that involve gun control
why isnt it obvious? I know I'm going to be alive for the future, and that makes me happy! I also know that I will be dead in the future, and that makes me sad.
i think it is very rational to be sad at finding out when you are going to die.
obsession with national security quickly leads to dictatorship...
WASHINGTON — Negotiators at the United Nations are working to put final touches on a treaty cracking down on the global, $60 billion business of illicit trading in small arms, a move aimed at curbing violence in some of the most troubled corners of the world. In the United States, gun activists denounce it as an attack on their constitutional right to bear arms. “Without apology, the NRA wants no part of any treaty that infringes on the precious right of lawful Americans to keep and bear arms,” National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the U.N. this month. “Any treaty that includes civilian firearms ownership in its scope will be met with the NRA’s greatest force of opposition.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/fact-check-claims-that-treaty-would-curb-us-gun-rights-are-overblown/2012/07/27/gJQAo3W8CX_story.html
“Without apology, the NRA wants no part of any treaty that infringes on the precious right of lawful Americans to keep and bear arms,” National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the U.N. this month. “Any treaty that includes civilian firearms ownership in its scope will be met with the NRA’s greatest force of opposition.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/fact-check-claims-that-treaty-would-curb-us-gun-rights-are-overblown/2012/07/27/gJQAo3W8CX_story.html
one of the police investigators has now suddendly died in a traffic accident.
http://www.facebook.com/notes/colorado-springs-police-department/officer-matthew-tyner-dies-of-injuries-from-traffic-crash/500225496661317
and now a second gas mask was found
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7u3CLfVe8Xg#!
Anemone:There's no 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll.
I suggest Googling "magic bullet".
Anemone:Al Queda really did crash planes into buildings on 911.
I suggest Googling "WTC 7".
Anemone:Until you have corroborating evidence for other scenarios, inductive reasoning and occam's razor have to rule.
The question is, what counts as evidence and what doesn't?
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I don’t have a definitive position on this case, given the lack of information. However, I do have some questions about the situation: 1) Where did James Holmes learn how to make intricate bombs? Many “professional” bomb-makers in the middle east are missing ligaments because of the dangers of their job. Did Holmes start with this elaborate setup of destruction, or did he work his way up with smaller bombs? 2) After going through all the trouble of booby-trapping his apartment, why did he tell the police about it? This man supposedly just killed 12 people with the intent of killing more. Did he suddenly feel the need to spare some officers’ lives? 3) Why was there a second gas mask found? It was found hundreds of feet from Holmes’ car and the theater exit. Why? 4) All the witnesses from the theater say they saw a man take a call and then proceed to open the door. Most probably thought the guy was sneaking somebody in for free. But this witness claims the guy taking the call had a goatee (Holmes was goatee-free). If we are to believe the official story, that that call-taking man was Holmes, where are his phone records? Who called him and why? 5) Where’s the footage? Not one single security video has been released. Why? I have a feeling if these questions are answered, my suspicion of a set-up will likely be confirmed.
"5) Where’s the footage? Not one single security video has been released. Why? I have a feeling if these questions are answered, my suspicion of a set-up will likely be confirmed."
Well, ok...shit....obviously we have a situation....the public now has too much information...you guys weren;t supposed to know there were mltiple gunmen....we only have one patsy ready for this operation....ok....once things cool down with the media...we'll figure out who we can setup as the second patsy...then we'll parade him out to the media and this whole situation will hopefully fade away.