I also hated going to school at that age. Maybe for different reasons...
My little brother and I were reading fairly well and working on multiplication by the time I entered Kindergarten. I remember being very frustrated the first few years in school because I was forced to "learn" ABC's and basic addition & subtraction which I already knew how to do.
By late Elementary school and Jr. High I had given up on doing homework and would simply do the in class work and tests to keep my grades at average level. I didn't understand why I needed to do homework if I could learn the material by reading the textbook and practicing a few times in class.
I think at this point in my life I should have gotten a job. Maybe I would have learned the value of following rules and managing money. I think the independence and responsibility would have been a huge boost to my character.
By the time I was in High school I had completely checked out. I skipped classes, ignored homework, and rebelled against what I was being taught when I did attend; especially in history, social studies, and economics classes.
My first job saved me and restored my confidence in my ability to learn and grow. Funny thing is the whole time I was "failing" or barely passing in school, I was reading about physics, politics, history, persuasion, economics, and a host of other things that most of my school aged friends never got a grasp on.
I bet this type of story is much more common than we would imagine. Government schools suck!
MatthewF: My first job saved me and restored my confidence in my ability to learn and grow. Funny thing is the whole time I was "failing" or barely passing in school, I was reading about physics, politics, history, persuasion, economics, and a host of other things that most of my school aged friends never got a grasp on. I bet this type of story is much more common than we would imagine. Government schools suck!
My story as well :)
I think since I've been at college I've noticed the indoctrination of public schools, I went to a private high school so I never went through it but I've noticed that the Americans hear love the founding Fathers, a Chinese floor mate said Mao Tse Dung was the greatest man who ever lived, everyone was joking behind his back how brainwashed he was, but they never look at themselves, but I guess that is how it is.
I've always felt public schools are full of bull, colleges seem better. Self education is the best method to understanding things on your own.
Freedom has always been the only route to progress.
Libertyandlife: I've always felt public schools are full of bull, colleges seem better. Self education is the best method to understanding things on your own.
Many colleges are public schools. And many of them are indeed chock full of BS. Self education, where possible, is indeed a wonderful way to go. That's how I'm getting into programming.
Zach_the_Lizard:Many colleges are public schools. And many of them are indeed chock full of BS. Self education, where possible, is indeed a wonderful way to go. That's how I'm getting into programming.
One of my college buddies went to the same school as me. He graduated with a 4 year bachelor's of science in Software Development. During his last semester he showed me this "Really cool program" that used openGL to make random flashy colors appear in a boxed window. That was like 4 years ago.
I didn't really understand programing at the time so I figured after 4 years of education if thats all they knew it must be an extremely difficult skill to master.
Two years later I left the states and lived in Honduras for a year. I only worked 4 hour days in a small pueblo two hours outside of Teguc. The tranquil (government free) environment was like an intellectual awakening for me. The lack of distraction that we have in the US really opened my mind to a whole new level of focus I never thought I had. In my spare time during the day I learned things I never had time to enjoy in the states, like reading 27 books during that same year. Even with all the book reading, beer drinking, afternoon jogging ect, I still had spare time to do with as I please. As a result I taught myself a pretty descent level of C++ in a period of about 3 months. In those 3 months I created close to a dozen apps. I even built my own Multiplayer over LAN 3d Pong game. Each player getting his own prespective from his side of the pong table. I taught myself Ogre and used that coupled with my own customized winsock class.
On top of that I created almost a dozen other small programs, including a LAN chat client and a chat server much like how jabber works. I did all of this in 3 months. My friend spent 4 years learning how to make colors flash on his screen. From that point on I really questioned heavily institutionalized education.
Self education is indeed an amazing thing. It's amazing how much you can learn when someone isn't spoon feeding or force feeding you a load of garbage in the class room.
Capital Pumper:I've started to notice these points being used frequently by my opponents in discussions on proverbial schools.
Is this about state schools versus private schools or about home schooling against public schools?
Capital Pumper:1. Schooling is required to develop academic skills; such as reading, writing, and arithmetic.
Capital Pumper:2. These institutions serve as a foundation for social interaction, and teach youth valuable cooperation skills needed in the real world.
Besides that social interaction and cooperation skills are learned outside school: In the family, in clubs, with friends at church etc.
Capital Pumper:3. Children should not have a choice in the matter, since they are at a age where they don't know what's best for them. If it weren't for their parent's use of coercion, the children would play video games all day; subsequently ruining their own future.
Capital Pumper:4. To say that school is a government indoctrination center is a generalization. Most of the classes are purely objective, such as science and math. Government indoctrination in U.S.S.R schools was minimal, since most of what they taught (far more proficiently than any North American or European school today) were the sciences.
Anyway, you can embed ideology into science as well. There are more subtle ways to influence people. And doing that indirectly is even more efficient.
Capital Pumper:5. Kid raising tool.
Schools basically take kids away from parental authority. They actually do destroy that authority piece by piece. It's a shell game over responsibility and a blame game on who messed up the kids. Parents shift their responsibility to teach and groom to the school, while the school (teachers) blame the "parental home" for the misbehaviour of the kids. Ever thought their might be something wrong with the educational system and the predominant ideology in society that (amongst other things) tells us how to raise kids?
Capital Pumper:What say you denizens of Mises forum?
It does not follow that only the state can do this, or that the state can do this best.
Actually most classes students take aren't science or math oriented. They are fuzzy like english history and government. In history and government classes, students are told outright lies like the civil war was over slavery or the great depression was caused by the free market.
Torsten: Capital Pumper:What say you denizens of Mises forum?What do you mean by denizens?
Like Jews right, and Christians, and Muslims, and, Hindu's, and Commmunists, and anyone else who doesn't like cheesecake.
Criminals, there ought to be a law.
Criminals there ought to be a whole lot more. Bon Scott.
Torsten:Let's face it in the real world you have to do with people of different ages and relationships to them aren't that normed as they are at school.
I believe this to be one of the biggest misunderstandings related to mass public schooling. The "social skills" that kids supposedly learn by being around their peers are overrated. I personally learned more social skills in 1 week at my first job than in 12 years at school.
I also think its silly to group children together by age instead of aptitude, but thats a whole other rant...
Democracy for Breakfast: College is very important, the diverse community and clubs broaden your horizons of the world.
College is very important, the diverse community and clubs broaden your horizons of the world.
Yeah right. That sounds like an argument the NEA would make. And sometimes biased? Over half of my professors at college were open Marxists, and this was in the South!
I say avoid college if you can, learn a trade. I didnt learn as much until after I got out of the education racket.
MatthewF:I believe this to be one of the biggest misunderstandings related to mass public schooling. The "social skills" that kids supposedly learn by being around their peers are overrated. I personally learned more social skills in 1 week at my first job than in 12 years at school.
I can imagine that. The social skills learned at school are artificial. And let's face it, it's bootlicking with your teacher to gain some favor. Trying to become part of the in group. Teaming up for shit with other students and the like. The real social skills are learned outside school, be it with friends, at the sports club, church or even with the family and the holiday job. Yeah I even say during a shoping experience or at the restaurant people learn more. So school is the last thing to learn good social skills.
MatthewF:I also think its silly to group children together by age instead of aptitude, but thats a whole other rant...
I think the age grading is due to promote egalitarianism and to uniform the kids so that they can be better controlled (externally) as grown ups.
In work life you'll have to work with a team of people of different rank and qualification. They WILL be of different age. And if you go for a barbecue during leasure time, be advice that this typically will be people ten years older or younger then you (and I even don't mention that they may bring the kids.)
I downloaded some of the books of John Gatto at gigapedia.com .
He may go a bit far with some points, but on a general note, what he says makes sense. School isn't about knowledge, but about control. And education is actually ex ducation (leading you somewhere else) - Away from your natural social group/community ?
Some of the issue here may link up with the ADHD debate as well.
MatthewF: I also hated going to school at that age. Maybe for different reasons... My little brother and I were reading fairly well and working on multiplication by the time I entered Kindergarten. I remember being very frustrated the first few years in school because I was forced to "learn" ABC's and basic addition & subtraction which I already knew how to do. By late Elementary school and Jr. High I had given up on doing homework and would simply do the in class work and tests to keep my grades at average level. I didn't understand why I needed to do homework if I could learn the material by reading the textbook and practicing a few times in class. I think at this point in my life I should have gotten a job. Maybe I would have learned the value of following rules and managing money. I think the independence and responsibility would have been a huge boost to my character. By the time I was in High school I had completely checked out. I skipped classes, ignored homework, and rebelled against what I was being taught when I did attend; especially in history, social studies, and economics classes. My first job saved me and restored my confidence in my ability to learn and grow. Funny thing is the whole time I was "failing" or barely passing in school, I was reading about physics, politics, history, persuasion, economics, and a host of other things that most of my school aged friends never got a grasp on. I bet this type of story is much more common than we would imagine. Government schools suck!
My main problem with School(College in particular) is that your forced to spend money and time on things that you could otherwise get on your own. I am at my first semester at a Community College, and the classes I am taking are all pointless. The only class I enjoy is Music History. I have to cut time I could be spending on Piano or reading about Economics for the 500 math problems I am forced to do. Most of the people in the Remedial Math class are idiots.
I'm really starting to question the point of investing my time in College, other then to get a degree so I can make a living. It isn't that I can't handle all the work, its that the massive workload is pointless information, very time consuming, and bores me to hell. I think I would have been better off having a Private Tutor for the Math, so that I'm not so infuriated with it right now.
Additionally, classes like Public Speaking are really annoying. I don't understand why you should have to take that class, everything they talk about in lecture is all common sense, and very dry. The books were also expensive for the class, and the book is bullshit, its all common knowledge. Its unbearable to read.
The English classes doesn't study any literature, which is very disappointing. We spent an entire class talking about the MLA format, and then we usually spend the rest of it doing word and crossword puzzles.
If this is how College is in the first year, then why the hell do we learn all the same shit in High School for four years? This really does show that Standardization in Public Schools is worthless. Since, even if you don't learn it in High School, they make sure you learn it in College. Its just a lot more irritating to have to spend money on going through the same material, and sometimes even more dumbed down.
sicsempertyrannis: Democracy for Breakfast: College is very important, the diverse community and clubs broaden your horizons of the world. Yeah right. That sounds like an argument the NEA would make. And sometimes biased? Over half of my professors at college were open Marxists, and this was in the South! I say avoid college if you can, learn a trade. I didnt learn as much until after I got out of the education racket.
You can't network with such a diverse group of people anywhere else. The workplace is mostly teenagers, dropouts, and low-income adults. Where College has people who have traveled, people from other countries, and a lot of unique characteristics. Everyone is so unique at College, where in High School a lot of people are the same.
Democracy for Breakfast: You can't network with such a diverse group of people anywhere else.
You can't network with such a diverse group of people anywhere else.
You're networking right now with people on the Mises forums. This whole site is relatively an esoteric element in this world, which makes the internet a shining amenity of the diversity which you seek.
By the way, is crankery preached by the schisms of statism what you consider diversity? If so then you should reflect on what words to use for identification rather than connotation.
Democracy for Breakfast: The workplace is mostly teenagers, dropouts, and low-income adults.
The workplace is mostly teenagers, dropouts, and low-income adults.
Subjective and stigmatizing people for flippant reasons.
In the workplace a person learns the relationship between work and reward, and enters in by his own voluntary choice. A person derives purpose within this setting, and has an incentive to cooperate with others to work toward a common ends; consequently offering something of value to other traders (suppose this is a private sector job ). Where as school is a euphemism for prison. You're dragooned into it and forced to vegetate in a confined space. Instead of prison gangs you have cliques; instead of a warden and guards you have a principle and teachers. However, the details are irrelevant. The two environments (prison and school) are relatively immature, unnerving, unproductive, and all at the expense of net tax producers.
Democracy for Breakfast: Where College has people who have traveled, people from other countries, and a lot of unique characteristics. Everyone is so unique at College, where in High School a lot of people are the same.
Where College has people who have traveled, people from other countries, and a lot of unique characteristics. Everyone is so unique at College, where in High School a lot of people are the same.
This just sounds like a parody of the propaganda I focused this thread around.
Capital Pumper: Democracy for Breakfast: You can't network with such a diverse group of people anywhere else. You're networking right now with people on the Mises forums. This whole site is relatively an esoteric element in this world, which makes the internet a shining amenity of the diversity which you seek. By the way, is crankery preached by the schisms of statism what you consider diversity? If so then you should reflect on what words to use for identification rather than connotation. Democracy for Breakfast: The workplace is mostly teenagers, dropouts, and low-income adults. Subjective and stigmatizing people for flippant reasons. In the workplace a person learns the relationship between work and reward, and enters in by his own voluntary choice. A person derives purpose within this setting, and has an incentive to cooperate with others to work toward a common ends; consequently offering something of value to other traders (suppose this is a private sector job ). Where as school is a euphemism for prison. You're dragooned into it and forced to vegetate in a confined space. Instead of prison gangs you have cliques; instead of a warden and guards you have a principle and teachers. However, the details are irrelevant. The two environments (prison and school) are relatively immature, unnerving, unproductive, and all at the expense of net tax producers. Democracy for Breakfast: Where College has people who have traveled, people from other countries, and a lot of unique characteristics. Everyone is so unique at College, where in High School a lot of people are the same. This just sounds like a parody of the propaganda I focused this thread around.
I don't care about what people they are on Mises. It doesn't matter if you can't meet people in person.
And do you even know what your saying? College IS voluntary, Public School is forced.
I HAVE had a blue-collar job before, it isn't hard to get one, and managers are lazy as hell.
This is often what discourages working for me, and I know other bright people who have had the same experiences. On the job, you always seem to find these spoiled teenagers who socialize most of the time instead of working, and then force you to get really uptight when they aren't doing a good job. In a lot of situations they argue back with you, because they rather just get paid and socialize, then think they don't they can get away with not working hard. The thing I, and a lot of other people, can't stand about working is the other people you work with. I've had two jobs, and i've always had at least 2-3 people that were unkind, bitter, and impatient. They seem to think they are "cool" or that they don't have to be friendly or get to know someone who doesn't go to their teen parties, or isn't like them.
But it sure as hell makes it a lot more stressful, and a lot less worth the effort. I quit my job because the stress got to me, it wasn't worth it for Minimum Wage. I try to avoid needing a job as much as possible, and focus on being in College. If I ever needed to get a blue-collar job again, I would feel like my whole world is coming down.
Democracy for Breakfast:And do you even know what your saying? College IS voluntary, Public School is forced.
Did you talk to the manager or boss about these non-worker's he or she have on the payroll?
I'll give this a shot and try answering the questions directly from my opinion:
Capital Pumper: I've started to notice these points being used frequently by my opponents in discussions on proverbial schools. 1. Schooling is required to develop academic skills; such as reading, writing, and arithmetic.
I've started to notice these points being used frequently by my opponents in discussions on proverbial schools.
1. Schooling is required to develop academic skills; such as reading, writing, and arithmetic.
This would need to be elaborated. Why is public schooling required for this option? What if an individual chooses not to send his son off to learn basic arithmetic, and/or he son doesn't choose to do so? Should the family/individual be coerced at gunpoint to learn it?
2. These institutions serve as a foundation for social interaction, and teach youth valuable cooperation skills needed in the real world.
Kind of like how you learn valuable social interactions skills and create valuable networks in prison?
3. Children should not have a choice in the matter, since they are at a age where they don't know what's best for them. If it weren't for their parent's use of coercion, the children would play video games all day; subsequently ruining their own future.
This is why it's the parent's discretion.
4. To say that school is a government indoctrination center is a generalization. Most of the classes are purely objective, such as science and math. Government indoctrination in U.S.S.R schools was minimal, since most of what they taught (far more proficiently than any North American or European school today) were the sciences.
This one has left me speechless.
Really?
5. Kid raising tool.
Please care about your children more.
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There's nothing wrong with schools. They just shouldn't be run in a monopolistic fashion, and parents should have choice where to send their kids or to homeschool them.
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Cam Nedland: There's nothing wrong with schools. They just shouldn't be run in a monopolistic fashion, and parents should have choice where to send their kids or to homeschool them.
Yeah this.
Democracy for Breakfast:You can't network with such a diverse group of people anywhere else. The workplace is mostly teenagers, dropouts, and low-income adults. Where College has people who have traveled, people from other countries, and a lot of unique characteristics. Everyone is so unique at College, where in High School a lot of people are the same.
D's in highschool, college dropout, I have already made more money than you will 15 years after you graduate statistically speaking.(see gary north's website.) I can't link you to the specifics as you have to pay. Much cheaper than tuition I might add. I'm also educated. I have an extensive network. Sorry, but what you say about college is bs. And everyone in college is just as cookie cutter as those sheep in highschool. Schools are fine, State sponsored and funded schools are almost worthless. That being said there are a few gems that have honest academicians IMO. Gonzaga U and Loyola Colleges have some honest profs with tenure. Also, the University at Bremen is not bad. They are statist, but at least they question it. The main problem. They are way overpriced.
Saan: Democracy for Breakfast:You can't network with such a diverse group of people anywhere else. The workplace is mostly teenagers, dropouts, and low-income adults. Where College has people who have traveled, people from other countries, and a lot of unique characteristics. Everyone is so unique at College, where in High School a lot of people are the same. D's in highschool, college dropout, I have already made more money than you will 15 years after you graduate statistically speaking.(see gary north's website.) I can't link you to the specifics as you have to pay. Much cheaper than tuition I might add. I'm also educated. I have an extensive network. Sorry, but what you say about college is bs. And everyone in college is just as cookie cutter as those sheep in highschool. Schools are fine, State sponsored and funded schools are almost worthless. That being said there are a few gems that have honest academicians IMO. Gonzaga U and Loyola Colleges have some honest profs with tenure. Also, the University at Bremen is not bad. They are statist, but at least they question it. The main problem. They are way overpriced.
What makes you think that the people are cookie-cutter? Most of the people I encountered so far are either serious students or very unique individuals/
"How much math and hard science did you learn in K-12, and how much was history, civics, gym, etc?"
I learned calculus, physics, mechanics, history, political theory and physical training outside of school, for that matter. Anyone with a brain can outdo public schools, and if you're not the kind of person inclined to do these sorts of things on your own, public school is just going to turn into an even bigger idiot - worst of all, an idiot who believes he or she is intelligent.
I have learned so much more self teaching myself than I ever learned in 'school'. All public school ever seemed to do was make you memorize dates, numbers, places, for tests. Binge and purge. What a great education.
I work for the public school and you may be shocked at how many of us have our kids in private school. Teachers, administrators, custodians, maintenance. None of us want our kids to go to the schools we work in. That kind of sucks. My kids were in private school for elementary and jr high. Home schooled for high school. I am a single dad so guess who taught them in the home schooling... that's right they taught themselves at their own pace.
I have nothing philosophically against the concept of public school but our system doesn't work to educate. It doesn't even do a good job of indoctrinating. Don't get me wrong, you can learn a lot in public school... but it will be in spite of the system, not because of it.
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Life without music would be an error. - Nietzsche
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Tukaram: I have learned so much more self teaching myself than I ever learned in 'school'. All public school ever seemed to do was make you memorize dates, numbers, places, for tests. Binge and purge. What a great education. I work for the public school and you may be shocked at how many of us have our kids in private school. Teachers, administrators, custodians, maintenance. None of us want our kids to go to the schools we work in. That kind of sucks. My kids were in private school for elementary and jr high. Home schooled for high school. I am a single dad so guess who taught them in the home schooling... that's right they taught themselves at their own pace. I have nothing philosophically against the concept of public school but our system doesn't work to educate. It doesn't even do a good job of indoctrinating. Don't get me wrong, you can learn a lot in public school... but it will be in spite of the system, not because of it.
How will we ever get rid of the State Department of Education now?
Getting rid of any government agency is pretty tough. They become big businesses that can pass their own laws! The 'war on drugs' and 'the war on terror' have both spawned huge bureaucracies that won't won't go away with out a huge fight.
If you could actually get people informed and motivated enough to care you can change a lot with elections. But most people have the mall and big screen TV's so who cares what the government does?
Tukaram: Getting rid of any government agency is pretty tough. They become big businesses that can pass their own laws! The 'war on drugs' and 'the war on terror' have both spawned huge bureaucracies that won't won't go away with out a huge fight. If you could actually get people informed and motivated enough to care you can change a lot with elections. But most people have the mall and big screen TV's so who cares what the government does?
You know, I have tried convincing teachers about its wrongness in the past, and it hasn't been successful at all. A few of them were very arrogant on the subject, and felt that "as long as they prepare you for the test, then they are doing the job" or as long as they are making you meet the standards. Teachers here support NCLB.
Democracy for Breakfast:You know, I have tried convincing teachers about its wrongness in the past, and it hasn't been successful at all. A few of them were very arrogant on the subject, and felt that "as long as they prepare you for the test, then they are doing the job" or as long as they are making you meet the standards. Teachers here support NCLB.
I have both an aunt and sister who teach in the public schools here in SC. They both are highly frustrated with the beauracracy and incompetence of administration. Whats funny is that I have seen my sister transform from very liberal free spirit in college into a much more realistic psuedo-libertarian after college. I have the public school system to thank for that. I remember we used to argue about the role of government in our lives with her always advocating for a government role in solving social problems. Today we agree on most things, to one degree or another.
From what I can tell the good teachers really, really want more flexability in education. The few I have talked to are pretty receptive to the idea of a more free market approach to providing education. Many of them feel stifled by the controls and standardization of the public system. Discuss with them all the possiblities that will arise in a free market of schools and they can see themselves starting their own schools, developing thier own methods, and being creative. The good teachers will get excited about those possibilities. Administrative workers and bad teachers will not and will say anything to protect their niche in the current system.
How can I get a career in science and research on my own? Is school necessary to develop that knowledge to where I could eventually get jobs in fields of science?
Democracy for Breakfast: How can I get a career in science and research on my own? Is school necessary to develop that knowledge to where I could eventually get jobs in fields of science?
Whats stopping you from participating in the sciences right now? Einstein didn't learn his theory of general relativity. He discovered it by his own merits. There is no one stopping you from doing the same or similar work.
Now if you want to be a member of "Academia" well that may be different. Still there are ways of getting into that as well.
filc: Democracy for Breakfast: How can I get a career in science and research on my own? Is school necessary to develop that knowledge to where I could eventually get jobs in fields of science? Whats stopping you from participating in the sciences right now? Einstein didn't learn his theory of general relativity. He discovered it by his own merits. There is no one stopping you from doing the same or similar work. Now if you want to be a member of "Academia" well that may be different. Still there are ways of getting into that as well.
Meh, I don't think I'll develop my own theory. If I were interesting a job in something like Materials/Chemist scientist, where could I start to get the attention of Business' and find work? Without a College degree.
Exactly. I'm 15, and not less then 1 or 2 years ago, I was in a public school. There was sex and violence. It was all to distracting, and I didn't learn anything. In-fact, close to nothing. I leave and get home schooled. I start learning at a rate 10x faster compared to public. And I started to find an interest in economics surprisingly. I never liked any subject, and I mean any. I am learning things that I wouldn't have learned for at least 4+ years in public school (in-fact, probably never would have learned of Austrian economics.)
It's funny. When ever I debate a socialist on schools, they tell me that I went to a poor public school. I actually went to a wealthy one.
Amadeus: probably never would have learned of Austrian economics.)
probably never would have learned of Austrian economics.)
There is no "probably" about it.
Amadeus: Exactly. I'm 15, and not less then 1 or 2 years ago, I was in a public school. There was sex and violence. It was all to distracting, and I didn't learn anything. In-fact, close to nothing. I leave and get home schooled. I start learning at a rate 10x faster compared to public. And I started to find an interest in economics surprisingly. I never liked any subject, and I mean any. I am learning things that I wouldn't have learned for at least 4+ years in public school (in-fact, probably never would have learned of Austrian economics.) It's funny. When ever I debate a socialist on schools, they tell me that I went to a poor public school. I actually went to a wealthy one.
Well, the sex and violence is because of a lack of rules and control in the school. How can any Libertarian favor a set of strict rules in an institution?
Democracy for Breakfast: Well, the sex and violence is because of a lack of rules and control in the school. How can any Libertarian favor a set of strict rules in an institution?
property rights, property rights, property rights...
I brought this up before to you in this thread on the previous page and it has come up again. Who's property is it? (in the previous case, i had asked about you letting a boss or manager know about the situation - the property owner).
Saan: D's in highschool, college dropout, I have already made more money than you will 15 years after you graduate statistically speaking.(see gary north's website.) I can't link you to the specifics as you have to pay.
D's in highschool, college dropout, I have already made more money than you will 15 years after you graduate statistically speaking.(see gary north's website.) I can't link you to the specifics as you have to pay.
Hello, Sir!I'm also a subscriber of Dr. North's and I'd like to know more about the resources that you found particularly helpful in building your fortune. So, if you could provide a direct link to this specific information, I'd very much appreciate it. Thanks!
Wanderer: There's nothing wrong with schools. They just shouldn't be run in a monopolistic fashion, and parents should have choice where to send their kids or to homeschool them.
I think I might drop out once I decide what I want to do. However, College is a great place to indulge in information and learning. College libraries often have a diverse database of information. On that contrary, the Gen. Ed classes KILL IT for me. I am in remedial math, public speaking, and entry level english. all the classes are boring as hell, and a waste of time.
However, what do you guys think about Independent Studies in College? I think they are a great way to learn because cirriculum's suck. After doing more research, I agree with you guys that a Degree is worthless, however I feel a little helpless without the guidance of a College, and the people you meet at one.
Democracy for Breakfast:I am in remedial math, public speaking, and entry level english. all the classes are boring as hell, and a waste of time.
Well if you are in college, why did you choose these? Or are they general ed requirements?
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