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Is it ever a good idea to print money?

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djussila posted on Sat, Jul 11 2009 5:34 PM

It would seem that using the printing press on currency always leads to trouble ( inflation, assault on savings ect ) , can you ever justify printing money?

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Dustin S. Jussila:

It would seem that using the printing press on currency always leads to trouble ( inflation, assault on savings ect ) , can you ever justify printing money?

No.

 

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have you  understood that those who condone sound banking , commodity banking, gold dollars, dont have anything against the use of paper notes  per se ? (think: receipts)

from what you wrote it seems that you have not.

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nirgrahamUK:

have you  understood that those who condone sound banking , commodity banking, gold dollars, dont have anything against the use of paper notes  per se ? (think: receipts)

from what you wrote it seems that you have not.

And receipts are almost as good as currency without being as good. Still restrained to a backwards monetary system that can't increase to prevent secondary shocks to the economy or adjust to MD. 

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unjustified hyperbole.

and gold receipts, are currency, so hardly less good than currency

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

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ivanfoofoo:
But there is qualitative difference between issuing fiduciary media without the necessary reserve backing commodity and producing more of this commodity.

NOTHING has inherent value.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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nirgrahamUK:

unjustified hyperbole.

and gold receipts, are currency, so hardly less good than currency

Well then, if it's currency just go and exchange your gold receipt at your local Seven Eleven and quit complaining.

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now what good did that strawman do anyone spidey?

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

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Juan:
By the way, I suppose I'm free to print as many notes of the Rochester Bank as I wish, in order to satisfy my (and others') "demand for money". Amoralist 'libertarians' surely won't object to such use of my ink, my paper and my printing press.

If they make it easy to copy, then they probably will not stay in the currency making business for long.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Wilmot of Rochester:
Well then, if it's currency just go and exchange your gold receipt at your local Seven Eleven and quit complaining.

you quit complaining.      

 

 

and wtf?!?

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Juan:
I don't know what you mean by 'laxly printed'

What, do you think it is really easy to make counterfit U.S. dollar bills or something?

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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nirgrahamUK:

now what good did that strawman do anyone spidey?

I obviously misunderstood what you were getting at.  I had no intention of setting up a strawman, if that's even what I did.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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Juan replied on Sun, Jul 12 2009 4:54 PM
If they make it easy to copy, then they probably will not stay in the currency making business for long.
Anything easy to manufacture can be easily copied unlike things such as gold of course. But at any rate, why is it OK for the bank to counterfeit its bank notes, but it's not OK for Smith to do it ?

Why is it OK for the bank to inflate and it's not OK for other people ?

Really. I need money. I just print it. It can't get any easier...and 'efficient'...and 'libertarian'.

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sorry, i could have been clearer, i didnt think anyone was likely to post between the post i was referring to and mine.

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ivanfoofoo:
:But there is qualitative difference between issuing fiduciary media without the necessary reserve backing commodity and producing more of this commodity.
         NOTHING has inherent value.

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Epic post is epic. :P

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Juan replied on Sun, Jul 12 2009 4:58 PM
What, do you think it is really easy to make counterfit U.S. dollar bills or something?
Are you kidding ?? Do you think printing dollars is the same thing as manufacturing AMD processors ??

Probably $5000 in equipment is all you need to print as much dollars as you, and the whole world, would ever 'need'.

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Juan:
If they make it easy to copy, then they probably will not stay in the currency making business for long.
Anything easy to manufacture can be easily copied unlike things such as gold of course.

Gold is not copied.  It is mined.  Wood is not copied either, it is grown and harvested.

Stamped gold coins can be copied.  Stamped paper can be copied.

But at any rate, why is it OK for the bank to counterfeit its bank notes, but it's not OK for Smith to do it ?

I never said there was anything wrong with it, necessarily.  So, why would a bank issue notes not backed by something that is not as easily produced and is much more valuable?  I never said a bank would do this.  But if one wanted to take the risk of having its currency devalued from someone else copying it, then so be it.

Why is it OK for the bank to inflate and it's not OK for other people ?

I never said there was anything necessarily wrong with it.  But a bank that did this would probably not stay in business long.

At most, I think only 5% of the adult population would need to stop cooperating to have real change.

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