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Ytterbium Posted: Sat, Aug 7 2010 10:54 PM

Hello, All!

A more non-serious thread topic:

Give some examples of pieces of music (any genre) you would identify as having a libertarian feel or sound to them.  Adjectives to describe it might be joyful, optimistic, hopeful, or others you think exemplify a libertarian spirit. If you want, you can explain specific elements of the piece that influenced your decision.  Hopefully we can create a great playlist of music!

Here are a few of my pieces:

Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1, Mvt. 1     (Herbert von Karajan conducting)

I chose this piece because I love the sound of the ascending chords of the piano.  The first few measures for me create a hopeful and joyful atmosphere; an atmosphere of freedom and personal drive.

Turandot:  Act 3, "Nessun Dorma" 

The translated lyrics of this piece are of a more romantic nature, but the crescendo at the end makes me think of a longing for freedom, a desire to break from political constraints. 

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Greg replied on Sat, Aug 7 2010 11:19 PM

Ever heard of the band Rush? They've been around for a long time and I think they're from Canada.

(EDIT: Apparently dont know how to post link:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw

This song "The Trees" sounds anti-egalitarian, like when you try to make us all equal you have to do it by force, and you wind up bringing us all down to grinding poverty. I don't really know if they're all that capitalist but it seems that way to me, anyone else know?

"and the trees were all made equal by hatchet, axe, and saw!"

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AJM replied on Sat, Aug 7 2010 11:50 PM

Neil Peart, the drummer and lyricist, was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand.  There is a libertarian and individualist spirit in many songs.  Listen to Tom Sawyer.

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mwalsh replied on Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:02 AM

I'm sure if I really start looking through my music I'd find more, but the first one that pops up, mainly anti-military perse, is

"Join the British Army" by the Brobdingnagian Bards

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Student replied on Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:13 AM

my tastes may not be as refined as ytterbium, but I believe there are many tunes that fit the bill. here are a few country/folk tunes that come to my mind. 

long hair country boy - charlie daniels (rely  on yourself)

puttin' people on the moon - the drive by truckers (because you can't rely on the govt)

subterannan homesick blues - bob dylan (trust no one, question everything)

the night they drove ol' dixie down - the band (but remember defiance has its price)

the theme song from fire fly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbAaMbxdKG8 (still, you cant take the sky from me)

Ambition is a dream with a V8 engine - Elvis Presley

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I don't like your examples. Optimistic is not the same as libertarian although modern libertarianism is, in its very fundamental state, what I would consider a very light hearted and optimistic ideology. However if this thread is going to really be about libertarian music it should not focus upon the attitude inspired by the melody, for such is very much open to interpretation in both the attitudes inspired by the music and the attitude inspired by the ideology, but instead focus upon lyrics combined with the tone of the music itself.

Anyway

We can work it out: The Beatles

Focuses upon the benefits of social cooperation and the need for social cooperation. It also displays the desire for experimentation with societal problems which is what anarcho-capitalists have been begging for for decades

De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da: The Police (Yes I am cool enough to write out the whole name of the song)

Focuses upon the desire of people to control others, particularly focusing on the politicians who, logically if they are attempting to control people, would be in the best position to control people because after getting into office they would be in a direct position to forcibly control people. Furthermore it focuses upon the need for independence from others ideologically (AKA respecting the value preferences of others) and the fact that just because the rhetoric that someone uses may have great intentions behind it (socialism) does not mean that it will bring about the intended results.

Then the Sting songs "Children's Crusade" and "Russians" are both fairly libertarian (although not by any means only libertarian they can be equally employed by most anti-war ideologies... And libertarianism is one of these.

The songs "Sit on My Face" by Monty Python has actually always reminded me of the United States Military... Don't ask me why... And then "piggies" by the Beatles is actually about the military and has a fairly libertarian cynicism to it on the matter.

"Lo! I am weary of my wisdom, like the bee that hath gathered too much honey; I need hands outstretched to take it." -Thus Spake Zarathustra
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Greg replied on Sun, Aug 8 2010 12:22 AM

"Neil Peart, the drummer and lyricist, was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand.  There is a libertarian and individualist spirit in many songs.  Listen to Tom Sawyer."

Oh yeah that is probably their most famous song. Good point.

In the song "Freewill" they say "if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice!" - sounds very Misean.

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Who can forget the Beatles song "Taxman". It includes such libertarian lyrics as

if you drive a car, car;)- I’ll tax the street;
if you try to sit, sit; - I’ll tax your seat;
if you get too cold, cold; - I’ll tax the heat;
if you take a walk, walk; - I'll tax your feet.Taxman!'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Fairly interesting, as it points out both the Labour and Conservative parties will tax you for their benefits and not some glorified notion of social justice etc.

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Chicago/We Can Change the World
Graham Nash

snippets :

...Politicians sit yourself down,There's nothing for you here...

...Somehow people must be free, hope the day comes soon...

... if you believe in justice and if you believe in freedom
let a man live it's own life, rules and regulations, who needs them?....

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

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Actually, now that I think about it The Kinks song 20th Century man has some pretty libertarian lyrics

I was born in a welfare state
Ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants
And people dressed in grey
Got no privacy, got no liberty
Cos the twentieth century people
Took it all away from me.

I have seen some people claim that 'people dressed in grey' refers to businessmen, but I hardly think that makes sense in the context of the rest of the lyrics. It is kind of strange that though, as people will do their best to make their input conform to their ideological sense.

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There is an old Rising Force song called Soldier Without Faith.  Malmsteen once said in an interview that Sweden has a very cold, dark mentality.

I will have to listen to that Taxman song.  Do you know the song Back In The USSR?  I couldn't pinpoint what the idea behind that one was.

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I have always listened to that song as a satire of Cold War culture and the Beach Boys, especially their song California Girls. However the song it self shows no awarness to the totalitarian nature of the USSR really.

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Caley McKibbin:
 Do you know the song Back In The USSR?  I couldn't pinpoint what the idea behind that one was.

its certainly not political.

McCartney:
  I wrote that as a kind of Beach Boys parody. And "Back in the USA" was a Chuck Berry song, so it kinda took off from there. I just liked the idea of Georgia girls and talking about places like the Ukraine as if they were California, you know? It was also hands across the water, which I'm still conscious of. 'Cause they like us out there, even though the bosses in the Kremlin may not. The kids do. And that to me is very important for the future of the race

Where there is no property there is no justice; a proposition as certain as any demonstration in Euclid

Fools! not to see that what they madly desire would be a calamity to them as no hands but their own could bring

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Marko replied on Sun, Aug 8 2010 5:17 AM

Do you know the song Back In The USSR?  I couldn't pinpoint what the idea behind that one was.

It is just a fun song. But as a side effect it ends up saying that Russians are regular Joe's too and probably like the places they live in as well as anyone else.

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I've always loved Arlo Guthrie's version of Tom Paxton's "I'm Changing My Name To Chrysler":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daBx_PBrvSE

It's a bit better now that Arlo seems to be increasingly supportive of Ron Paul. Anyone check out the quote on the back of Paul's "End the Fed"

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mwalsh replied on Sun, Aug 8 2010 9:29 AM

Don't know why I didn't remember this earlier:

"Free the People" by The Dubliners:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGvxRYDBHs

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There have already been a few threads like this:

 

http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/4895/81877.aspx#81877

There's another one too, somewhere, which talks about lyrics.

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Alex,

 

Just listened to the taxman.  Those lyrics are very truthful, here in the US as well!

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Bert replied on Sun, Aug 8 2010 10:45 PM

Best Libertarian Lyrics

A section taken from Crass' "Bloody Revolutions" song:

You're far too much of a man for that, if Mao did it so can you
What's the freedom of us all against the suffering of the few?
That's the kind of self-deception that killed ten million jews
Just the same false logic that all power-mongers use
So don't think you can fool me with your political tricks
Political right, political left, you can keep your politics
Government is government and all government is force
Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course
Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law
The seizure of that power is all your revolution's for
You romanticise your heroes, quote from Marx and Mao
Well their ideas of freedom are just oppression now

I had always been impressed by the fact that there are a surprising number of individuals who never use their minds if they can avoid it, and an equal number who do use their minds, but in an amazingly stupid way. - Carl Jung, Man and His Symbols
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Just found this.

"Who" by Mat Ames:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DRedNC6p4U

It's pretty catchy, and quick.

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My cousin put in one of his Metallica cd's today and I heard this song.  Made me think of this thread.


Feel no pain, but my life ain't easy
I know I'm my best friend
No one cares, but I'm so much stronger
I'll fight until the end
To escape from the true false world
Undamaged destiny
Can't get caught in the endless circle
Ring of stupidity

[chorus:]
Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life's for my own to live my own way

Rape my mind and destroy my feelings
Don't tell me what to do
I don't care now, 'cause I'm on my side
And I can see through you
Feed my brain with your so called standards
Who says that I ain't right
Break away from your common fashion
See through your blurry sight

[chorus]

See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground

Life's for my own to live my own way

In States a fresh law is looked upon as a remedy for evil. Instead of themselves altering what is bad, people begin by demanding a law to alter it. ... In short, a law everywhere and for everything!

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B-man replied on Mon, Aug 16 2010 1:32 AM

Very many. Including:

Anthem, 2112, Something For Nothing, Farewell To Kings, Closer To The Heart, The Trees, The Spirit of Radio, Free Will, Tom Sawyer, Witch Hunt. Am sure there are others I cant think of at the moment. 


 

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chloe732 replied on Mon, Aug 16 2010 2:37 AM

Closer to the Heart:

"And the men who hold high places

Must be the one's who start.

To mold a new reality.

Closer to the heart."

This does not sound libertarian.  Also,

"Philosophers and ploughmen, each must know his part".   Sounds Marxist, doesn't it?  It reminds me of the four stars in the Chinese Communist flag.  I do not believe Neil Peart or Rush are Marxist, I'm just saying the above words are not libertarian. 

Also, The Trees.  Depends on one's perspective.  I'm not sure if Peart is saying it is a good thing or bad thing to keep those trees equal.  Then there's Bastille Day...again, I'm not sure about the perspective here.

I would agree that the other songs imply a sense of liberty.

"The market is a process." - Ludwig von Mises, as related by Israel Kirzner.   "Capital formation is a beautiful thing" - Chloe732.

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William replied on Mon, Aug 16 2010 2:56 AM

The most obvious choices off the top of my head: Beethoven's 3rd "Eroica" symphony and Dvorak's 9th "New World" Symphony

"I am not an ego along with other egos, but the sole ego: I am unique. Hence my wants too are unique, and my deeds; in short, everything about me is unique" Max Stirner
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opsisone replied on Thu, Nov 18 2010 1:21 PM

KRS-One's verse in C.I.A.

 

Need I say the C.I.A. be Criminals In Action
Cocaine crack unpackin, high surveillance trackin
Prominant blacks and whites givin orders for mass slaughters
I want all my daughters to be like Maxine Waters
When they flooded the streets with crack cocaine
I was like Noah, now they lower cause the whole cold war is over
Communism fell to the dollars you were grabbin it
All the assault and batterin in the name of intelligence gatherin?
Now it's karma you battlin, a losin fight
I chose the mic to recite ignite light in the night, aight?
We should beat em, President Clinton should delete em
it's not hard, the C.I.A. simply has no more job
Oh my Goddess, mother, you can fix this
We rock over mixes not six six sixes
Yo this is, the message, to all that can hear it
If you got secret information now's the time to share it
Call your Congresswoman, your senator, your mayor
It's time for all the scholars to unite with all the players
Rearrangin, see times are definitely changin G
They used to tap the phone, now they tappin while you pagin me
It's crazy B, yet it's plain to see, who the enemy
Who's left the NRA? The ATF, the AMA?
Okay okay, it's all irrelevant, cause in the new millenium
there'll be no Central Intelligence

I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves... on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves... Benjamin Franklin

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opsisone replied on Thu, Nov 18 2010 1:51 PM

Zack De la Roca, verse from Renegades of Funk

 

From a different solar system many many galaxies away
We are the force of another creation
A new musical revelation
And we're on this musical mission to help the others listen
And groove from land to land singin' electronic chants like
Zulu nation
Revelations
Destroy our nations
Destroy our nations
 

I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves... on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves... Benjamin Franklin

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There's this and this.

And also this and it's sequel.

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Yngwie Malmsteen recently released a song called Magic City.  It's obviously about him being fed up with Sweden in the 80's and moving to the U.S.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhMO9azmKNU

Well my name's John Lee Pettimore
Same as my daddy and his daddy before
You hardly ever saw Grandaddy down here
He only came to town about twice a year
He'd buy a hundred pounds of yeast and some copper line
Everybody knew that he made moonshine
Now the revenue man wanted Grandaddy bad
He headed up the holler with everything he had
It's before my time but I've been told
He never came back from Copperhead Road
Now Daddy ran the whiskey in a big block Dodge
Bought it at an auction at the Mason's Lodge
Johnson County Sheriff painted on the side
Just shot a coat of primer then he looked inside
Well him and my uncle tore that engine down
I still remember that rumblin' sound
Well the sheriff came around in the middle of the night
Heard mama cryin', knew something wasn't right
He was headed down to Knoxville with the weekly load
You could smell the whiskey burnin' down Copperhead Road

I volunteered for the Army on my birthday
They draft the white trash first,'round here anyway
I done two tours of duty in Vietnam
And I came home with a brand new plan
I take the seed from Colombia and Mexico
I plant it up the holler down Copperhead Road
Well the D.E.A.'s got a chopper in the air
I wake up screaming like I'm back over there
I learned a thing or two from ol' Charlie don't you know
You better stay away from Copperhead Road

Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road

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jay replied on Fri, Nov 19 2010 9:27 PM

I don't know...an anti-government song isn't necessarily libertarian. Someone can be mad at the government for not giving "free" handouts or for not pandering to collectivisms like race or sexual orientation. Sounds like the opposite of libertarian, actually.

"The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -C.S. Lewis
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Flyd replied on Sun, Jul 17 2011 8:26 AM

I recently discovered Threshold. They are a Prog Metal band from the UK. I haven't heard all of their songs yet but here are two examples:

 

Mission Profile

can we go on can we be strong

we've got a system you're going to use it
we call it freedom and you are free to choose it
if you're not against it you've got to be for it
neutral is dangerous and you cannot ignore it

can we go on forcing our hand
can we be strong till others understand
can we go on to save our wounded land
can we be wrong

we've got the money we're going to spend it
peace is our mission we'll murder to defend it
sooner or later you'll get the picture
we're the creator and you were just created

devastation is where we're heading if we follow this illusion
escalation of all the hurting that is borne of our confusion
unrelenting as we persist in putting everyone beneath us
never ending until we understand our honesty deceives us

there is still one truth on which we can depend
we've started something we can never end

we know although we try to justify the means
the truth behind the end remains unseen
and while we all assume we all agree
we're giving up the freedom to be free

disillusion is always possible but we've got propaganda
mass confusion is always better than the threat of understanding
we'll deceive you we've got so many ways to make you stand behind us
if we need to we'll use them on ourselves to constantly remind us

there is just one lie that we can still defend
we've started something we can never end

we know although we try to justify the means
the truth behind the end remains unseen
and while we all assume we all agree
we're giving up the freedom to be free

there is still one truth on which we can depend
we've started something we can never end

we know although we try to justify the means
the truth behind the end remains unseen
and while we all assume we all agree
we're giving up the freedom to be free

 

 

The Art of Reason

 

can you give me a reason why you shone for a season
then you turned to deceiving (i don't believe that it's right)
you pretend you can hear us but you won't come near us
now it's all got serious (i don't believe that it's right)

we thought you'd do your best for future generations
but all you left was a mounting debt (i don't believe that it's right)
we thought your peace could flow like water through the nations
but you shut down the fountainhead (i don't believe that it's right)

can you give an account now as the truth's coming out now
it's the end of the countdown (i don't believe that it's right)
now we've lost all our patience with your forced liquidation
of our land of our nation (i don't believe that it's right)

we thought you'd right the wrongs that others brought upon us
but you sold off our right to choose (i don't believe that it's right)
we thought you'd fight for us but you just fought among us
and you sold off your servitude (i don't believe that it's right)

no more tries and no more chances
no more lies to pass as answers
no more smiles and false relations
no more world indoctrination

sorry for being angry sorry for being numb
sorry for all the dreaming i really should have done
i thought that i was blameless i thought that i was safe
i thought that a happy ending would happen anyway

i can't believe we never noticed
i can' believe it took so long
for us to turn around the future
by standing up for what we all believed in all along

it was there right before our eyes we were blind not to realise
in the rush to be globalised we signed away our freedom
we forgot how to criticise we were scared to be demonised
as the truth was neutralised we lost the art of reason

shallow the crusader and shallow their crusade
but deep the ideology that brings them into play
political correctness a foil for our minds
a false exoneration to cover up their crimes

i can't believe we never noticed
i can't believe it took so long
for us to turn around the future
by standing up for what we all believed in all along

it was there right before our eyes we were blind not to realise
in the rush to be globalised we signed away our freedom
we forgot how to criticise we were scared to be demonised
as the truth was neutralised we lost the art of reason

 

Also Sons Of Liberty should be mentioned here. A side-project from Iced Earth's Jon Schaffer. The lyrics are openly anti-NWO and pro-liberty but see for yourself.

Sons Of Liberty

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MinutemanX replied on Sun, Jul 17 2011 10:13 AM

hmmm... I'm just gonna go with a SUPER obvious Libertarian song here...

Aimee Allen's Ron Paul Anthem

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U0-38K5qW8

Aimee Allen has an awesome voice, always loved her song Revolution.  She was also almost killed- beaten with a crobar, singled out from a group of others and the attackers didn't steal anything.

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dub fx - society gates

serj tankian - unthinking majority

serj tankian - saving us
serj tankian - Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition
system of a down - deer dance
system of a down - boom

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Bill replied on Sun, Jul 17 2011 12:25 PM

Big Time in the Jungle- Old Crow Medicine Show

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Ronnie James Dio was a pro-capitalitic person... I believe he even helped fund  the Atlas movie. Yet i do not believe any of his songs are political....

but as far as music that displays criticisms for the State, I would have to point out Dave Mustaine (Megadeth). I love to point out the similarities between his song "Symphony of Destruction" and Hayek's Road to Serfdom.

"Peace Sells, But Who's Buying?" "Holy Wars" "Gears of War" "The Right to Go Insane" to name a few more.

 

 

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"In the song "Freewill" they say "if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice!" - sounds very Misean Kantian."

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Em_ptySkin replied on Sun, Jul 17 2011 12:57 PM

Eating Propaganda

What do you mean i don't care how your day was?!

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Greg replied on Sun, Jul 17 2011 1:24 PM

" - sounds very Misean Kantian."

I guess Mises was heavily influenced by Immanuel Kant? I don't know jack about philosophy - that quote really striked a chord with me after I read ~300 pages of Human Action. (Then he started talking about prices and the book got a little out of my league, I should probably start it up again after reading some introductory books around here.)

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I know very little of Mises, but I know Kant when I see him, and not acting as a choice is definitely Kant.

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Kaiser replied on Sun, Jul 17 2011 2:39 PM

The paranoia is in bloom,
The PR transmissions will resume,
They'll try to push drugs to keep us all dumbed down,
And hope that we will never see the truth around,

SO COME ON!

Another promise, another seed,
Another packaged lie to keep us trapped in greed,
With all the green belts wrapped around our minds,
And endless red tape to keep the truth confined,

SO COME ON!

They will not force us,
They will stop degrading us,
They will not control us,
And we will be victorious!

SO COME ON!

Interchanging mind-control,
Come, let the revolution take its toll,
If you could flick a switch and open your third eye,
You'd see that we should never be afraid to die,

SO COME ON!

Rise up and take the power back,
It's time that the fat cats had a heart attack,
You know that their time's coming to an end,
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend!

SO COME ON!

They will not force us,
They will stop degrading us,
They will not control us,
And we will be victorious!

SO COME ON!

OI OI OI OI OI

They will not force us,
They will stop degrading us,
They will not control us,
And we will be victorious!

SO COME ON!

COME ON!

OI OI OI OI

 

From Wikipedia of (lead singer) Matt Bellamy:

Many of his songs display revolutionary views as well as a dislike of political corruption. "Assassin" and "Uprising" are two notable songs with obvious revolutionary sentiments. In an interview with Q Magazine, Bellamy stated that he is a libertarian.[13] In 2006 Bellamy said that he believed the 9/11 attacks were an "inside job".[14] However, in 2009 he told Rolling Stone that he did not believe this: "There is loads of stuff on the Internet suggesting 9/11 was an inside job. But that is not my belief.”[15]

On 17 September 2009 Bellamy discussed being politically influenced by reading "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. He explains the book helped inspire the song "Uprising" and expressed his views that he feels lobbyists have undue influence on politicians as well as the political system. He states that "when people become powerful they often have a disregard for public opinion."[16]

"I know that it is a hopeless undertaking to debate about fundamental value judgments."-Albert Einstein

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